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Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ok, I gotta admit, I like the looks of this guitar. I didn't think much of the Tangent when it first came out, I didn't get it... This new MOB model clearly has a focus. I don't know where it's made, but it's being touted as a "Beach" guitar or MOB (My Other Board). I actually heard about the axe when I was at the Summer Namm... It's focus is the young beach/surfer crowd that needs a guitar that is going to stay together, and look kinda cool too. I think it just SCREAMS "Take me to the beach!!!" and I like the little surfboard soundholes. Check it out... Ovation new MOB Tangent | ||
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| MSB |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 147 | If I focus hard enough I can see myself and Jimmy Buffett sitting in the sand at sunset down in Key West surrounded by bikini clad girls playing Margarita Ville to a bunch of parrot heads with this guitar. Mike | ||
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| cms-man |
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Joined: October 2002 Posts: 170 Location: The Shop | It is korean. | ||
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| MSB |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 147 | Korea…! If the world situation keeps going the way it did last week, Ovation may wont to think about relocation form Soul to Kabul for a while. Then, next year move to Baghdad. Real estate and labor costs should be a bargain by then and the US would probably subsidize any US Company wonting to relocate there. Ovation could celebrate the new factory by change the name and color of this guitar to target the entire militant Muslim world. They would only have to paint it white and name it the Geeee-hooood. The redneck US version would have a blue headstock and red binding and be called the Homeland I. Mike | ||
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| redsox1924 |
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Joined: December 2002 Posts: 13 Location: Connecticut | The color, Hmmmm lets call it Papa Smurf blue. | ||
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| Timothy |
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Joined: January 2003 Posts: 28 Location: Singapore | Wonder if Ovation will go wild and paint on a beach/surf motif on the whole body, complete with palm trees and the setting sun. Now that will be tottaly different!....just a thought. :D | ||
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| Legend-LX-Fan |
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 1196 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | This guitar makes me glad that I own old Ovations. GEEZZZZZ, I can't believe this thing is made by the same company that made my Adamas 20 years ago. From it's hidious headstock, to that horrible bridge what is happening to Ovation? Come on Ovation, how can I support you when you make things like this? Thank God for old Ovations, and sure I hope nothing happend to mine because I can't imagine spending money on this stuff!!....Paul Hebert | ||
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| Paul Wag |
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Joined: December 2002 Posts: 939 Location: Fort Worth, Texas | This is not your father's Ovation... | ||
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| Legend-LX-Fan |
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 1196 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | It retails for 799.99 dollars, it's ugly as sin, and made in Korea. Hmmm, just makes me want to run out and buy one. Come on Ovaiton, what are you thinking!!!!.....Paul Hebert | ||
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| Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Unless you are 19 years old, this guitar is not for you. And, remember to a 19 year old, an ADAMAS, is an ugly piece of furnature your grandpa used to play. It's about time Ovation invested some time into their future customers. I say do whatever it takes to get kids interested in Ovations. The surf and board crowd, the Tony Hawks of the future will be ready to buy high-end guitars in 10-20 years...by then they will know about tone and workmanship. For now, if they are going to buy a cheaper guutar, it might as well be an Ovation, because if it isn't an O now, it never will be. | ||
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| Legend-LX-Fan |
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 1196 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Miles I got my Adamas when I was 19. It was and still is in my opinion the best looking acoustic guitar out there. Before that I had a Legend. I know times change, but those Tangent models are horrble....Paul Hebert | ||
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| Bailey |
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Joined: May 2002 Posts: 3005 Location: Las Cruces, NM | The present meets the past and the opinions fly as they should. I thought the original Ovations were good beach guitars in CA in the 70's. | ||
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| stonebobbo |
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Joined: August 2002 Posts: 8307 Location: Tennessee | When I scoped out the first pictures of this, I thought it looked radically bitchin. It would look totally righteous next to my sea foam green Charvel surfcaster. Ovation needs to lay on some pinstriping around the binding like my old surfboards used to have, and add some faux mother of pearl to the headstock and the bridge. All the hodaddies will be stoked when I pull it out and riff off an acoustic version of Pipeline. I know I'm not 19 anymore, but with a guitar like this all the chicks on the beach would go crazy for this old surfhound. | ||
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| alpep |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 10583 Location: NJ | didn't I tell you boys to play nice????? When I was 16 I saved up half the amount to buy a Les Paul I wanted one just like Duane Allman cherry sunburst. I had no clue that his was a 59 and a standard but that is a whole other issue. Well when we got to the store the salesman told me it would be 319 with tax case strings pick cable strap and I think I even got to pat his daughter on the behind. I turned around to walk out and my dad asked where I was going. I said well we could come back in a year or so when I earn the rest of the money from my paper route. Well my pop who was unemployed due to a back injury found a way to come up with the mnoney and make that guitar happen for me. I was really blown away since our relationship was strained to say the least. My first decent guitar was a teardrop shaped kapa that I loved due to the look the second was a hofner violin shaped guitar with built in fuzz, then I got the LP. The point of this rambling, at nearly 3 am ,is that if there was an epi LP back then I could have had at 1/3 the price of the usa LP, I would have bought one and aspired to the USA one. But in the seventies this was not an alternative. If the MOB guitar is bought by first time buyers. (not many can afford a USA instrument in 2003 dollars OR seventies dollars back in the day) the natural guitar to aspire to would be a upper end USA made guitar. It only makes logical sense. I often wonder how many kids get a Chinese strat then an Indonesian strat then a koren strat a japanese strat a mexican strat and then a USA strat. Well I am sure some skip some of the steps but I think you may understand where I am going with this. My first decent acoustic was a gibson lgo I bought it for 125 because I knew givsung was a "good" guitar. Little did I know that particular givsung was crap ( plastic bolt on bridge and crappy tuners all mohagony) A few years later I bought a martin d 35 from a "hippie" living in an old victorian house with no heat in the middle of winter who needed exactly 235 to pay his bill and wanted no more and no less from the guitar. I lucked out. and got a great guitar cheap. Actually I rescued this guitar since it had cig burns scratches dents etc and SAND in the sound hole. What I am getting at here is that the time when you could get a usa made instrument reasonably are gone for the most part. Someone that buys an import would probably trade up later on, for some it takes longer than others and for some it never happens. I will go to sleep now....... | ||
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| cliff |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 14842 Location: NJ | Being a dyed-in-the-wool ParrotHead, the initial mention of an Ovation "beach guitar" gave me a "chubby"! (I had been looking for a guitar to take on my summer pilgrimages to LBI for some time). While I found the look to be somewhat "cool" in the vein of what they're trying to achieve, I'd be hard pressed to hand over anywhere CLOSE to 800 sheckles for a Korean guitar that I'm gonna be exposing to sun, salt, sand, water, lotion, beer, rum, tequila, and the occasional dog. This guitar (to me) appears to be dependent upon "look" (which IS kinda' "neat") and not substance. It made no mention of any kind of electronics, so I'm assuming it's strictly acoustic. What warrants this price? Personally, if I were looking for a guitar that I could use/abuse on the beach, I'd scour the shops/Net for a used old Balladeer, or a Celebrity, or even an Applause and do my own "trick" finish treatment on it. Believe me, I'm NOT trying to slam a new product just for the sake of doing so (and because it's an import), and I DO appreciate what they're trying to achieve with the market that they're going after, but I know a LOT of surfers (both young & old) and they're not THAT superficial! A more innovative design and/or material usage along with the "look" would've made better sense. To me it looks like they're just trying to "revamp" the look and use up the parts of an ugly guitar that probably isn't selling. Putting three stripes on a turd won't make it sell any better. While I can appreciate what Al is saying in that it's great that entry-level guitarists (and "first-time" Ovation buyers) have a vast choice of economical, quality instruments to choose from and hopefully be hooked and trade up. The PROBLEM is that the guitar that's being viably marketed to them, that they're aspiring to, that there being TOLD to aspire to is a Taylor! When Jason/Justin/Brad/Bryce/Lance decides to "make the investment" and upgrade to a better quality instrument, what's gonna be his choices when he walks into the "Acoustic Room" at Guitar Center or opens up Musician Friend? He'll glance over the three or four Celebrities available that are basking in the glow of the Taylor neon sign on the other side of the room. ". . . step into the light Carol-Anne . . .all are welcome! . . . all welcome! . . . ." | ||
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| Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think everyone here is coming close to the point but keeps missing it. As soon as you use the phrase "I" or "I would" or "when I was 19" you are not looking at this guitar from the proper perspective as I don't believe we have anyone from the Extreme Sports set on the board yet. If we do, stop lurking and say Hi. I sent this email last night to a fellow member, and it has some points for here as well. I edited a little, but it's still long... excuse the rant.. I think Ovation likes that there are such diverse opinions, I know I do. My point was simply that today... if you took an early Adamas and the new MOB to a mall on Saturday, or to a Tony Hawk skate boarding event, the MOB would get all of the interest. If you did the same thing 20 years ago, the Adamas was the guitar to have. That world (musically and astetically) is dead and gone, and if Ovation doesn't embrase the young ones, they won't have a need for an Adamas department as there will be no one to buy them our age group doesn't count... We saw people playing Ovations on TV and live when we were 19. There is no one playing them today. (when I say no one, if they aren't on VH-1 or MTV, they are for intents and purposes no one.) Ovations only other choise to to market to a hot new audience. Many many skate boarders play guitars. It's like they go together for some reason. They have guitars in softcases across thier backs in all the big cities I've been in recently. The MOB is actully going to be featured in Skating magazines and at Extreme Sports Events as I understand. How does this effect the USA Ovation quality or production... it does not at all. The MOB is made in Korea. The advertising and such comes out of that department too. Chances are if you are not an Extreme Sports enthusiast... you may never even see an MOB "cept at Guitar Center. But when those kids grow up to be CEO's, rocket scientists (hey I have high hopes for our youth) and such... they will be the ones who buy a new Adamas Q at $5,000+ I also agree that Ovation should make quality guitars and they do. Adamas, Elite, Elite-T (for same price as MOB I might add) and several (not all ) of the Collectors. They are still working on the "Adamas Q" but who knows when that will come out. I think you get my point... but the way, beauty is subjective. I think the MOB is one of the sexiest acoustic guitars made, I really think it's cool. I frankly never did like style of the Adamas one that much, but I LOVE the tone. I do like the Adamas II, both style and tone. I hate the Tangent, but love the Tangent MOB.. It's all taste... The best sounding ovation... 2001 Collectors or early pre-release Slot Head. Just my opinions. | ||
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| MSB |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 147 | I personally don’t think this is the most attractive guitar ovation ever made. In fact I dint think it’s in the top ten. That being said I’m going stick with Miles on this idea of focus. I grew up hanging out at the Huntington Beach Pier and when I was 19 in the late 60’s my best friend played an old Martin and he played it rather well. He was my best friend because he got girls with that guitar and as a best friend I got the leftovers. One day he told me ‘Mike if you get a guitar then you’d get girls.’ It was then that I learned one of the most basic truths of life. You can tell a man to do anything and if you add the phrase “ and then you’ll get girls.” on the end, he’ll either do it or, at the very least, give it some dam serious consideration. If he would have said ‘Mike, lay on the railroad tracks and let the train run over you and then you’ll get girls’, I probably wouldn’t be hear today. I had gotten my hands on a big old hand-me-down Gibson and was following in my best friends foot steps when I first saw Glen Campbell on TV and I can tell you that Leaf top round back thing he was playing looked just as silly as this Tangent but as I watch I could see that that Glen was on that TV set for one reason. That’s right, to get girls and if that guitar was helping him do that, well that was good enough for me. My next guitar was an Ovation and I’ve played them ever since. Its been a long time since I’ve seen a 19-year-old kid with anything I wanted except for maybe his girlfriend. And I expect if your over 40 its been a while since a 19 year old kid wanted any anything you have except maybe your car and your 18 your old daughter. Now I’m going to stick my neck out and say that theirs a fair percentage of 18 year old girls who don’t know the name of the president of the United States let a lone the difference between this Tangent and a slot head Adamas and really don’t care. And if the girls don’t care, you can bet the guys don’t care. So Ovation, if your listing put some lipstick on this pig as they say in the advertising business and get out there and tell them what they wont to hear. “Buy this guitar and then you’ll get girls. We guarantee it!” Mike | ||
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| moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15686 Location: SoCal | I love this last post. Hell, I still play guitar to get the girls. I just can't do anything with them since I'm married. Everything the previous two posts have said is true. My complaint with Ovation (and maybe it's my own misconceptions -- gotta be honest about that), is that I do see Martin and Taylor (those two specifically), going after an older market. That tells me that there may actually be an older market (besides me -- when the hell did I become an "older" market?). Maybe I just don't want to face the realities of life, or maybe I just feel left out, but sometimes I feel like Ovation marketing doesn't give a rats ass about me. And they probably don't. But I don't want to feel that way. | ||
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| Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "but sometimes I feel like Ovation marketing doesn't give a rats ass about me" Paul I think that is great fodder for another whole thread of rants (which I may start :) . I don't think I've been misunderstood, but just to clarify... As proud as I am, or enthusiastic as I am that Ovation is going after the youth market in a very hip way, I also want to see the USA Models someplace. (I feel a rant coming on).. I have always found Ovation ads to be preaching to the choir, or "a day late". If you already owned an Ovation, you then find out how great it is. Just check out my observations on the UKII at The Solidbody and Storm Series Collection site.... and nothing has changed. I see people playing guitars all over the TV and in some ads and they aren't Ovations. The only place I know of to see an Ovation ad, is a guitar magazine. Now that may have been the place to advert a guitar in the days when mags were used as research, but more and more people no longer buy magazines to research a guitar (or anything else). They use the web THEN subscribe to the rag that best fits, promotes, or provides news on what they bought. The MOB is going to appear (or so I heard) in Surfer magazines. I'd love to see the USA Models, just appear on a TV show, and maybe appear in a high-end or vintage auto or biker magazine. I think UNITED's inflight magazine "Hemispheres" (or any other airlines rag) would be a great place to put an Ovation ad. All those exec's with nothing better to do but read the magazines (and spend money) on long flights. Ovation makes a great guitar to travel with, and even a better one to come home too. BRAIN STORM ALERT - BRAIN STORM ALERT.... I just realized, I have heard Melissa Ethridge (not just her tunes, but HER) on the inflight radio at least two times in the last year. 30-60 minutes of her chatting about the songs she plays, and people she's met. I have NEVER heard her mention the guitar she plays.... ok now I'm miff'd. I think I will go cool off and write a rant for another thread. | ||
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| Legend-LX-Fan |
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 1196 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Miles you are correct about Melissa Etheridge. I have seen many interviews with her, and she never talks about her guitar. Man if Ovation made a "Paul Hebert" Adamas, I would sing it's praises every chance I would get. Hey Ovation, I have played my Adamas all over the place exclusvely for over 20 year. How about the "Paul Hebert" model Adamas? Oh well I can dream can't I?...Paul Hebert | ||
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| Bailey |
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Joined: May 2002 Posts: 3005 Location: Las Cruces, NM | Well, Mike confirms my theory that in 70's CA Ovation was a beach (attracts bikinis) guitar, and this MOB might work too, it definitely has the color and modern looks. How many of you pull up to the beach in your family Suburban and expect to be surrounded by what is todays beach bunnies? How many of you opinionated elders drive a euro racer with the bass set at a level that nearly blows off the top, leaning back to where you can barely see over the wheel, so into it that you just can't see the hassle, a blue surfer gittar might be a great way out of it? Bailey | ||
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| MSB |
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Joined: June 2002 Posts: 147 | If you check all the Artistes kinks on the Ovation website you’ll see that most of the websites don’t link back to Ovation. Sounds like a one-way street to me. On Melissa’s sight I could find several links to sites discussing sexual preference but not one to Ovation. Maybe Ovation should higher the ‘Soup Nazi’. No Link to Ovation! Out! No guitar for you! I think Ovation could to up the ante and besides the Photo of the sponsored artist they could have a 5 minute streaming audio interview with them discussing topics related to them playing Ovation guitars. Ovation could contract Miles to lay down one of the artist’s sound tracks and then the voice over interview. Then they could put it up in Media Player / Quick Time / Real One in place of the link to the Artists website. Then all the artists would wont to post a link to their interview on their own sight and Ovation would get free press from all the Artists sights. Ya! I like this Idea. It would cost Ovation a little more server space and they would have to pay Miles for the recording. Maybe they could even get Miles and Al to do the interview. Ya! I’m sure Ovation will jump right on this idea. Mike | ||
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| Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | MSB, you hit some very forward thinking ideas. It is not very common for two industry entities to link, but it should be. That note aside, I would think one could get a short, couple question, phone interview available to play on each artists picture. I think, especially based on the eclectic mix of artists, it would lend credability to hear what the artist has to say about Ovation guitars. Folks like DJ Ashba (who is a lot older than you might think) and Megadeth are Ovation endorsers. I don't hear or think "acoustic Ovation" when I see these names or hear their work, so I'd like to hear what they have to say. It may be a perspective or angle on acoustics that I hadn't thought of, and might like. | ||
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| hologram |
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Joined: March 2003 Posts: 12 Location: australia | i liked it's appearance and i was going to buy one, so i came here to see what you all thought about them but if it's korean i'll give it a miss. why do the top guitar factories keep building guitars in slave countries, i nearly bought a cobain jag-stang till i found out they were all built in japan and when president bush paves the way, i bet fender will be making baghdad teles, in camoflage-green, complete with camel hair strings and body odour, melted-down scud-missiles for frets and mother-of-sand dot inlays. | ||
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| Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7247 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "why do the top guitar factories keep building guitars in slave countries" I don't know of any companies building guitars in "slave" countries. I know Ovation uses Korea (as do many others) because it's a pretty high-tech place that can turn out a gazillion guitars at a fraction of the price in the USA. Here they would have to pay the workers the same amount to make a Tangent as you would to make an Adamas. So to answer your question, MONEY is the main reason as far as I know. By the way, the MOB is a pretty cool guitar. | ||
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