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Location: Michigan | Did Ozzie write any music for Black Sabbath or even his solo carrer? I think Ozzie was just a lead singer and never really contributed any music or instrument playing in his carrer.Does anyone know?I do like alot of the songs from the old Sabbath to the newer Ozzie solo carrer.Yes I will admit that I like the song he does with his daughter Im Going Through Changes but that doesnt make me a Puss does it? :eek: Whats your take on Ozzies music.GWB |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Can he read and write??
He's a Drug F@@@ed git.
Never had any time for him.
Tony Iommi on the other hand, a totally different story!!!
Now there's talent
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Ozzie was the greatest "Don't do drugs" lesson ever for my kids. Me:"When I was young, Ozzie was a talented musician who sold lots of records"
Daughter: "No way Dad!".
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Location: CA | Three guys I can't believe are still alive:
* Ozzie Osbourne
* Joe Cocker
* Keith Richards
Oz may not have much talent beyond the voice, but I doubt we'd ever have heard of Black Sabbath without him. |
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Location: Jet City | Ozzy's stuff with Randy, and Tony, and Brad, and Jake, and Zakk...
All of his stuff was a huge influence on my playing, especially in my early years. He has a knack for finding some pretty stellar players. In my day of rock star dreams, I don't think you could have had a bigger dream than to be Ozzy's next guitar "god". It meant instant immortalization.
Just my opinion. Then again, I'm still a long haired thrasher at the core. |
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| This is the music they made when they were young and just out of the box. The alternative for them was a job in a northern sheet metal factory for tuppence a day.
A lot of middle aged beer guts came along later and picked up on the genre because they were useless at anything else but figured they could at least play metal - many of them sold lots of records too.
IMO you have to hand it to Sabbath; they came from nothing, their music was crude but artistically effective and it cuts through the smoke and mirrors to touch people some how or other.
There are many people who can play better but don’t have whatever it is that makes it work in a big way. Sabbath cooks for a three piece and they own the space when they're going at it.
Even if you don’t like him Osbourne is still a damn good vocalist.
I wasn’t able to find any writing credits but the words sure as hell seem to fit him..lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b89KG9zDpNU&feature=related |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Oddball:
Three guys I can't believe are still alive:
* Ozzie Osbourne
* Joe Cocker
* Keith Richards As Billy Joel witnessed; Only The Good Die Young.
Moral of the story....be as bad as you can stand.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ozzie is a one-of-a-kind to be sure. He does one thing, and he does it well. The video I have seen of his concerts, he seems to be truly having as much fun as the audience that adores him.
In any interview, any pictures, and his performances, the little kid that doesn't quite fit in is still there. I don't think he's ever tried to be anything but himself, and maybe that's the big secret to survival. |
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Location: Jet City | ...I don't think he's ever tried to be anything but himself, and maybe that's the big secret to survival. [/QB] He has a supportive woman with a good head on her shoulders too. That's always a help.
He probably would have been dead by now if it weren't for Sharon. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I had Black Sabbath Paranoid and played it all the time until I quietly agreed with my father that it was a bunch of garbage. "Power chords"/Ozzie yelling/more power chords/more Ozzie yelling. I haven't listened to him for more than 5 minutes total since.
He does have more talent than rappers, however. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Way back when I was 16 Black Sabbath was my favorite band. They had two albums: Black Sabbath & Paranoid. I went to see them at the Fillmore East (late show) and Ozzie and the band were great. I saw them again a year later (late show again) at the Capitol theater in Port Chester, NY, when they just released Masters of Reality. The opening band was Yes. The announcer said "Let's hear it for a new band from England, Yes." Several in the audience yelled back "No." Yes then played most The Yes Album with Perpetual Change as the finale and Starship Tropper as the encore. The audience was stunned by how incredible band was. The second act was Humble Pie with Peter Frampton who gave another rousing performance. By the time Black Sabbath took the stage the audience was worn out and unresponsive. At the start of Iron Man, Ozzie tried to get some excitement going but failed. Sabbath's set lasted 45 minutes with no encore. From that point on I was a Yes fan and didn't listen to any new Sabbath stuff although I still like some of the music from the first two albums. |
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| Originally posted by Damon67:
Ozzy's stuff with Randy, and Tony, and Brad, and Jake, and Zakk...
All of his stuff was a huge influence on my playing, especially in my early years. He has a knack for finding some pretty stellar players. In my day of rock star dreams, I don't think you could have had a bigger dream than to be Ozzy's next guitar "god". It meant instant immortalization.
Just my opinion. Then again, I'm still a long haired thrasher at the core. Ozzie never wrote lyrics in Black Sabbath.
As a matter of fact, for his own admission, Butler wrote most of the lyrics and he just sang what they told him to sing, he left the band in 1977 because he wanted to make a solo album, and found out that he wasn't able to do that.
When he was fired, he spent 6 months in LA just taking cocaine, until what would have become his wife tried to convince him to pursue a solo career... and he was told there was a magic guitarist in town, a young fellow that was available to listen to his ideas, that were difficult to explain because at that time he didn't know what music was.
Anyway through the years he was able to find the right people with and showed to make very good choices, and I also know he spent some time studying music so the man who was kicked out from Black Sabbath became something more than just a clown. |
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Location: CA | Mr. Ovation — well said and spot on. He's never pretended to be anything else. I would only add that the guy had (and presumably still has) an incredible presence on stage. Its evident even in videos.
Mark in Boise (with all respects) — dissect almost any song and the individual parts often appear stupid (perfect example: Van Halens "Jump"). Its when the sum of the parts equal something greater that a song really gets its appeal and lasting power. And that doesn't mean it has to be techincally excellent or musically complex. Paranoia is and will forever be one of those songs. I STILL listen to the live version on my Ipod. Still great. And you have to admit, if you're talking about garbage passed off as music, Paranoia equates to Beethoven's 5th when compared with rap. LOL |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "dissect almost any song and the individual parts often appear stupid"
Two words... "Louie Louie"
But we need not go there I guess.
Still don't know why people Compare music with RAP.. Same comparing Harley Davidson and Lima Beans. I prefer to not buy either, although I acknowledge their are positive contributions in both. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm with you Miles. I try not to call it "rap music" because I think it's an oxymoron.
My opinion on Ozzie is based on very little experience. I didn't even know he was the singer in Black Sabbath until his show was on a couple years ago. I had seen his name around, but never listened to him as a solo.
I agree that any song has pieces that might be up to the rest of a song, but I can assure you that I made no attempt to dissect Paranoid. I just remember thinking as I was listening to the album years ago that that guy doesn't really sing, he shouts and the songs had a couple measures of loud guitar strums followed by a couple measures of "singing." I just felt that a decent band ought to be able to blend the vocals and guitars together. I never thought Jump was anything special and won't get into opinions on bands that wore lycra.
If I can't understand the lyrics, I won't like the song. If the singer sings slightly off key or the voice doesn't have any tonal quality, I won't like the song. There's a lot of good music out there, so I won't waste my time trying to find some quality that someone like Ozzie has. There has to be something to the music besides the volume. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "If I can't understand the lyrics, I won't like the song"
That's very telling, although I'm not sure what it tells. For me, I tend to only bother listening for or figuring out the lyrics to songs I like. That would infer that I apparently listen to the music first, but I really listen more to the overall "sound," including the lyrics. Can't really put my finger on it. Sometimes the Lyrics are an important part of "the sound" even when I don't understand them.
Although incomplete, there is a pretty good wiki on Rap.. Wiki RAP . I tend to think people refer to RAP when they are really thinking about some form of "Hip Hop." |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
so I won't waste my time trying to find some quality that someone like Ozzie has. Thank you Mark ! All of this esoteric and certainly personal BS in asking about 'favorite this and why', 'hate that and why', 'lyrics that (fill in the blank) and why' and etc. all comes down to what do ya like listen to and possibly learn. There is absolutely nothing that Ozzie has that I want!
OK, I'm not 'cool' nor 'hep' nor into the nuances of the 'counter/sub/neo' flavor of the day cultures. No, I didn't follow the 'pavers of the moment'. I follow my ears, heart and soul. Ozzie and his ilk assaults that 'trinity'.
So there, you have this ol' fart's total lack of appreciation of Ozzie.
Admittedly, after wading through some of these threads, I have found some excellent info/sources... and I thank ya'll for the few!
Carry on... (flame suit donned) |
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| Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
If I can't understand the lyrics, I won't like the song. What about opera. |
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Location: Jet City | I think it's funny that everyone in this thread (besides me) has spelled his name wrong.
Including our favorite ALL IN CAPS originator.
Come now folks. His last name is Osbourne not Nelson. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I used to envy a couple of old guys I knew because they could get away with most any crotchety comment because they were crotchety old farts. They are dead and I am trying to fill their shoes.
Miles, what I was trying to say is that if I have to strain to understand the lyrics, generally because the instruments and amps are turned up so loud, but also because the singer may be stoned or just plain can't talk, like Ozzie, I won't like the song. I wasn't talking about trying to understand what the singer or writer was trying to get across, I just think if you're going to have lyrics, the listener should be able to understand the damn words. The decibel levels over the last few years have been raised even higher than the rock concerts of the 60s so that all you can hear is the bass and drums. You have to know the lyrics in order to understand them. Maybe because I sang before I played, I consider the lyrics to be part of the music, not just part of the sound. Noise is sound. Talking is not music.
I admit I don't know the difference between rap and hip hop. It all reminds me of Maynard Krebs reading his beatnick poetry on Dobey Gillis.
Edit: Joe, you got me on the opera. Maybe that's why I don't like it much. Nor do I ever sit and read a book, even though it might be great, if it's in a language I don't understand. I know I don't understand opera. Duh, it's in a foreign language. Never understood what was going on in those Latin Masses I had to go to as a kid either.
Of course, you can't blame me for not thinking of opera in a thread about Ozzie Osbourne. There's a stretch. I do appreciate that opera has some qualities and that some people understand it. I don't think anybody understands Ozzie. |
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Location: Jet City | Well there goes my xmas present to you Mark. I already ordered the new Metallica CD and had it shipped directly to you.
Please refuse the shipment and hopefully they'll credit back my card. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm old enough to have forgotten the 60s, like many my age, but instead I've elected to forget the 80s. Was that when Metallica came around? I'll keep the Metallica cd if you'll take one of my wife's Yanni's. |
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| Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
...I do appreciate that opera has some qualities and that some people understand it. I don't think anybody understands Ozzie. Actually, the fact that it's in a foreign language and therefore incomprehensible to me at least is one of it's saving graces IMO. I'm referring to the arias here not the talk singing which is terrible stuff.
I've seen some of the translations for various operas and the lyrics are pretty boring for the most part. A lot of the time it's stuff like "get the carriage, bring it round to the front of the house, we're getting the hell out of here, this is no good, were not coming back" etc. etc. And then the chorus comes stomping on to the stage and repeats all that in case the audience didn't get it straight the first time through..lol
Suffice to say that there's a marked disparity between the beauty of the music and the content of the lyrics; accordingly, it's better if you don't understand what they're singing about as it's merely a distraction from the music.
Similarly, Bach's Mass in B Minor - I don't understand a word of it but it sure does cook.
As for Ozzie, it is what it is. The first time I heard Paranoid was on headphones and I was in grade 8 so it seemed impressive then but I'd moved on a year or so later. |
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Location: Jet City | "I'm really influenced by Mozart and Bach, and it's sort of in between those, really it's like a Mach piece."
-Nigel Tufnel (referring to his classical piece in D minor which he claims is the 'saddest of all keys' and is provisionally entitled 'Lick My Love Pump') |
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| Great film.
The scene where they're going through the baggage check is hilarious too..lol |
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