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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Beal, any recollection on who pushed to put the Adamas bracing pattern on the center hole wood topped guitars? I've been playing Noah's 30th CL, with medium strings on it and it is starting to sound wonderful as it breaks in (I suspect that Noah never played it, but it looks so good that it wouldn't be hard to put it on a wall hanger and just look at it)..... | ||
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Beal![]() |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | Not sure I understand the question, the A brace pattern came before the Adamas. | ||
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Trader Jim![]() |
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Joined: June 2006 Posts: 7307 Location: South of most, North of few | Kinda what I was thinking, doesn't the Adamas have the fan style bracing while the A brace is boxed around the soundhole? | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal: That's ok. I'm not sure I understand the question either. Who came up with the idea of A bracing? I always thought that Charlie was gung ho on the VT bracing patterns. I know that the A braces were first put on the Custom Legends (1974?) and on at least one Legend that ended up with Glen Campbell at about the same time. This was about the same time that the Adamii were being developed. Not sure I understand the question, the A brace pattern came before the Adamas. I know that Nick Macklin, w/o Charlie's permisssion, was the driving force on the 1537's. Was somebody else (Rickard?) the driving force, in secret, on the A bracing? | ||
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Slipkid![]() |
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | Moody needs to know where to send the fruit basket and thank you cards. | ||
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an4340![]() |
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Joined: May 2003 Posts: 4389 Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | As I recall, Ricard was a genius at process, whether he had anything to do with A bracing, I don't know, though I haven't heard it. | ||
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Beal![]() |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | I don't know. I thought the Anniversary was the first to use the A but it could have been custom legends. It was probably developed for the CL and maybe used first on the Anniv. Rickard was at Ovation and in charge of the development when the A brace came out. I don't recall if he was driving or riding shotgun at the time. | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Beal, you know more about it than I do. You had the inside track and I was outside looking in.... about 3000 miles outside! I'm just curious. I think A braced, deep bowl O's are the best sounding, with the X braced deep bowls right behind them. I'm just trying to learn a little more...... | ||
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TJR![]() |
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Joined: July 2002 Posts: 288 Location: Maine | Moody Pi and All.. Here's a breif "conversation" about TOP Bracing..... ~ 1977 interview w/ Jim Hennesey... find MY MUSIC and listen to chpt -4 Tops Hope You like it! Talbot | ||
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Damon67![]() |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6996 Location: Jet City | My early 80's A braced 1617 with the K-bar is one of my better sounding Os At least to my ear. | ||
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Damon67![]() |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6996 Location: Jet City | TJR that's great. You should just charge admission to your page. It's like going to a museum. | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Tal, that's great. Thanks very much. Damon, an A braced center hole guitar has a wonderful sound. Maybe the best of all the different Ovation models when combined with a deep bowl.... | ||
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cholloway![]() |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 2791 Location: Atlanta, GA. | What characteristics are looked for, in wood, to be considered suitable for braces? What's the most popular type of wood used? | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Sitka spruce and cedar are the most common woods used for tops. But more and more, spruce from other areas and types of spruce trees are being used. I've got one guitar with an adirondack spruce (red spruce) top. Got a crisp sound.... | ||
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TJR![]() |
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Joined: July 2002 Posts: 288 Location: Maine | Glad you like it.. I'll dig about for some more info.. ... And eventually I'll get Chpts 1-3 and 5-13 uploaded as well.. It's Audio from an old casette tape I found in the attic. For Miles recent gathering, I threw it all together onto a DVD and added some pics and menus...etc... I now appreciate the effort that must go into a PBS documetary. | ||
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Mark in Boise![]() |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | Colin asked about braces, not tops. I'm not sure what they use. I wouldn't think you'd use the same would as for tops, but I don't know anything. Engleman Spruce, which is fairly prevalent here, is also a good wood for tops. The 05 Collector used it. | ||
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cholloway![]() |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 2791 Location: Atlanta, GA. | Moody, Are you saying spruce top/spruce braces, cedar top/cedar braces? I'm aware of tonewood characteristics used for tops, but curious if there is anything special about the woods that are used for braces. | ||
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Damon67![]() |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6996 Location: Jet City | Originally posted by TJR: Yeah I was there, but had to run to get a cord for the Mac and missed the show. For Miles recent gathering, I threw it all together onto a DVD and added some pics and menus...etc... I now appreciate the effort that must go into a PBS documetary. Too bad. I'll have to wait till you post it. | ||
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Gallerinski![]() |
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 4996 Location: Phoenix AZ | Cedar braces? For some reason I always thought they were spruce. | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | I'm sorry. I misread the question. I was talking about tops. I think spruce is always used for braces.... | ||
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Gallerinski![]() |
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 4996 Location: Phoenix AZ | ... except on Academy models. Dave | ||
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Beal![]() |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | sitka for braces | ||
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moody, p.i.![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15677 Location: SoCal | Anybody else have any questions you'd like me to not understand and subsequently answer incorrectly? | ||
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cliff![]() |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 14842 Location: NJ | So little "time" . . . | ||
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Mark in Boise![]() |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | If you wood just be more careful when you repond like I did you wood make fewer mistakes. | ||
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