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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Now that we are up and running again, I have a suggestion;
If YOU don't have a guitar or related item for sale, you can't start a post in the "FOR SALE" section. |
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| This is good! solves a lot of problems for the guy's who are trying to sell or want to buy a nice guitar. We all search ebay we know how to do it.....RIGHT????......What's the point.... We all know how to search Craigslist by distance...Right.....?? If not you should....there are web sites that do this for you. look them up.... they are not hard to find...
In know I have bitched about all the ebay heads up and the craigslist stuff or other crap that bumps everyones messages that are legitimate and offered to members to the bottom real fast...... My comments were not well recieved and not many (but some) of the guy's who I know are bothered by this, as well, did not bother to voice support when I did.
So if this is an issue with you at all...MENTION IT here. I think this is a perfect suggestion and I see no reason why anyone would be offended or not want to comply with this request. If you have a friend who has a guitar....list it.....just post a price for them....if you have an ebay auction running or a craigslist ad....post it.....
If it is not your guitar and you just want to go all Quasimodo with the information for us....please save it. Who know,s SOME poor slob might get a good deal on a guitar no one else saw.
There's my 6 cents, must be worth 2 even in this economy. Way to go Jeff...that and spell checking for me would be great!
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | How about posts wanting to purchase an ovation?
Should that request be posted over here as it's as much a request for info as anything else?
My own WTB ad for a parlor over there is a perfect example. |
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Location: Utah | Wanted To Buy should be allowed. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't think there is anything wrong with calling attention to something that is truly unique or collectable ...
"Hey guys look, Danny Partridge's original Typhoon bass is for sale."
But quite often certain members post somebody's sale here just to either make fun of the price, make fun of the description, make fun of the photos, etc. Basically to pat themselves on the back how much more THEY know than the seller. Well, congratulations.
If it was up to me I would just ban it unless you are the one selling it. But what do I know ... |
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Location: Indiana | There are occasionally good outcomes to those postings though.
Noah got a Book Mando last year because I posted the local Craigs list ad. The seller didn't want to ship so I did the footwork for him. Seems to fit the spirit of the OFC. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There's only 23 Book Mando's in the world. I don't think there is anything wrong with posting one if you see it. |
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Location: NJ | the problem as I see it are the price police.
How many times someone posts an instrument then finds us here to find that he/she has been bashed to no end.
find it
post it
bash it
you get a vacation
how's that? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I have often posted PSA about guitars that I would like to have bought but could not afford.
But I watch evilBay alot! So I frequently think "OH! Whadda Deal! But No Money! :mad: "
There may be some folks who do not search eBay and don't have a button on their toolbar to "evilBay Ovation".
I am sure that there are people who have benefited from a heads-up. 
But it ain't really a point-of-contention to me... I'm happy either way.
Some fora have a firm policy on this...
BC Rich Players Community requires 20 posts before you can post something For Sale.
Maybe a poll would be a simple way to decide this... Or just an Executive Decision. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Want To Buy"
Separate section. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | What Gallerinski and Alpep have stated is how it will be.
Find something cool.. post it in the for sale section. Bash it or make comments that elude to anything more than "check this out" and essentially you are breaking the one rule of "be nice to each to other" because there is a good chance, the person who placed that ad on CL or eBay is a member.
Also, you don't have to go far to find utilities to search... just click SEARCH above. The MegaSearch searches ebay and Craigslist. If you want those results higher up, just add the words ebay or craigs to your search. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I don't think there is anything wrong with calling attention to something that is truly unique or collectable ...
"Hey guys look, Danny Partridge's original Typhoon bass is for sale."
But quite often certain members post somebody's sale here just to either make fun of the price, make fun of the description, make fun of the photos, etc. Basically to pat themselves on the back how much more THEY know than the seller. Well, congratulations.
If it was up to me I would just ban it unless you are the one selling it. But what do I know ... Forgive me...
If you are selling it to this community, list it in the "For Sale" section. |
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| Well for what it's worth, I suppose the heads up on a great guitar could be a good thing....But it is the endless dribble and silly worthless comments about it that ruin the For Sale section for members who actually are trying to sell something. So What Al & Miles and others have mentioned makes sense don't bash the guitars, but perhaps there is some way people can just keep the worthless clutter of comments to a minimum out of RESPECT. ? I will never forget I was trying to sell a one of a kind Adamas in here... a while back and there were a few comments and people with honest interest and almost imediately there were posting after posting from a couple of people about the oddest guitars and those posts had 30 replys and none of it had any value what so ever. It seems at times to be purposeful when your the guy selling. especially when the threads are not even about Ovation guitars.
I hate to see you work to add more to this site Miles but since it seems it is not hard to just shut it down when you want perhaps you could add an "HEADS UP ON AN INTERESTING ITEM" category fairly easily to the For Sale Section?
Then the members who want to go this way can post away...following the rules. OF course.
Would that be more than you'd want to bother with?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Maybe FOR SALE postings should be READ ONLY. If you have something to say, send the seller a PM. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | what ever. |
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Location: NW Washington State | If the software allows, maybe only the original poster could add to the thread.
I'd agree with a ban on postings of items from Craigslist and eBay.
-Steve W. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
What Gallerinski and Alpep have stated is how it will be. I'm confused as to why this thread is continuing. What Miles said seems clear enough to me. |
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Location: Texas | All good points. I agree that you should never needlessly bash another member's for-sale post, but…
If we are not allowed to comment at all, what happens if someone misrepresents what they are listing? Do we just let another member get "taken" because we can't comment? (Yes that's very unlikely, but there's always someone with dishonorable intentions,) shouldn't we "watch each other's back" in the for sale section? Maybe we shouldn't? I would just hate to ever read a thread entitled "I was ripped of in the For Sale section" Is that a valid concern?
Also, if someone posts an outside E-Bay (or other) listing and then another member points out a flaw or potential problem with the item, isn't that of value to our members?
How hard would it be to keep the "For Sale" section for member listings and just add another section for posting "look what I found?" type of items?
Even if you search 24/7, you still won't find half of the interesting Ovations and related items that are for sale out there. If a member stumbles on something that they don't want or need but they know might appeal to someone here, what is the harm in posting it somewhere?
For example: The only reason that I own a 1598-MEII is because a member happened to notice an attractive price on a used one online, they didn't want it, so they posted it here. I was able to grab it and I am eternally grateful. That's a really nice benefit of membership here that I would hate to see outlawed completely.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I said, You can't START a topic in the "ForSale" forum unless you are the one selling it.
Feel free to post CL & Ebay finds on the General Forum. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Ditto JEFF +200
PSA, CL, ebay ads FROM NON-MEMBERS should all just go in the general section. There are a lot more people that would probably see it in the general posting than the FOR SALE section anyway.
FOR SALE or WANT TO BUY should be for member items only whether it is a guitar an amp a pedal or an old BelAir station wagon to haul your equipment to the gigs. |
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| Whatever it takes to have the members For Sale Section become a for sale section for the members items only.
Posting heads up threads about ebay or other things need to go in a seperate section within the "for sale" forum or right straight in the general posting section.
Either way we all are saying the same thing and the problem is solved.
No need for the devils advocate, and all the other worries are solved by seperating this stuff.
I don't see the problem with this thinking?
As far as I know..No one in this thread ever said anything about people wanting a guitar can't post. Why anyone would come to this conclusion from the posts so far ... is beyond me.
As for continuing a thread, this is a discusson site, if someone has violated some rule I am sure Miles will take the actions needed to remedy this. No one is picking on anyone here...relax ....we are just making a point that does have some validity and it has been a problem for many people I have spoken to privately through the years but they seem to always remain silent. I if I remember right Al backed me up once when I kinda did the wrong thing and posted my feelings right in the for sale section about this. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just to re-iterate..
Find something cool.. post it in the FOR SALE section. Bash it or make comments that elude to anything more than "check this out" and essentially you are breaking the one rule of "be nice to each to other" because there is a good chance, the person who placed that ad on CL or eBay is a member.
Also, you don't have to go far to find utilities to search... just click SEARCH above. The MegaSearch searches ebay and Craigslist. If you want those results higher up, just add the words ebay or Craigs to your search.
While I appreciate the discussion and comments this is the decision that has been made. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I had closed this thread, then re-opened it as some of the other comments need to be addressed at their root level of WHY it will be how I stated above.
"FROM NON-MEMBERS should all just go in the general section. "
- NO THEY SHOULDN'T. They go into the FOR SALE section. The members, the majority that DON'T post, use the FOR SALE section to find stuff and it serves as a nice reference.
- If there is a raw deal, that's between the potential buyer and seller. There will be NO PRICE POLICE anymore. We let people get away with it, but it drives away potential participants in the site and also opens the site up for liability.
Again, while we appreciate input, please send it offline to one of the mods for presentation or to me personally. There's no need to discuss it in the forums.
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| I'm sorry that my first post on this forum is about something so trivial. *laugh*
On a few other fora I inhabit, there's a section for "Saw it on eBay/Craigslist/Local Classifieds!" Things which are posted in the wrong area get reported, and quickly get moved or deleted. WTB and FS/FT ads manage to coexist peacefully in the actual classified section.
The place where I always see people going wrong is assuming that they have to inform everyone about something for sale they've run across, because someone might have missed it. By putting all the spam... er, helpful forwarding of a lot of unrequested information into a section reserved for it, the main discussion area won't be diluted by a lot of unrelated and unvouched for ads.
Although I wasn't a member at the time, I've gained from the classifieds here, as they made me aware of a member selling on eBay. The guitar, a 12-string, has since been altered into a six-course, unison tuned mandophone. It was a fair price, as all the ads here seem to be.
Straightforward postings about items members have for sale, or that members want, make the forum helpful to the members who make up the community. Members are putting their good name behind items for sale, and that good name is a reason I trust the ads from members. I think the value of that in the regular for sale section shouldn't be diluted by the posting of items that one can't vouch for. |
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Location: Texas | That's a pretty darn good first post, welcome to the OFC, Nubilee! |
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