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| Just stumbled upon Jim Croce videos on Youtube,seems he also used ovations alot.
Where are they?
If he played live with them,he recorded with them.
Old Balladeer I think.... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Yepper, Jim is an 'O' legend 'round here. |
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Location: Texas | He played an old Legend model 1617-1 Sunburst.
His wife Ingrid has it, according to Ovation.
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| These guys could play any guitar they wanted.
From what I have seen,Ovation guitars was the instrument all the great singer/players used.
good for us....... |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I have No idea who jim Groce is , but if he was using a 1617 sunburst ( I have one ) , ... maybe worth finding out about him...
Vic
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Location: CA | She's living in L.A.
with my best old ex-friend Ray . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Country Artist:
He played an old Legend model 1617-1 Sunburst.
His wife Ingrid has it, according to Ovation.
:cool: I don't think it was old when he played it.... |
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Location: Texas | Flickreno:
After you check out Jim Croce you will thank me for changing your life!
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Location: Texas | Muddy Pie..........go to bed! |
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Location: SoCal | " I play Ovations and peer through lenses , therefore I am " ( Enlightened ?! )
or a perv.... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
" I play Ovations and peer through lenses , therefore I am " ( Enlightened ?! )
or a perv.... Are you drinking with Patch and Vic? :D |
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| I remember the day - too sad for words. His Ovation survived the plane crash in which he and Maury died. Although he primarily played Ovations on the road, he also had a fondness for a particular '69 Martin D-21 which belonged to his photographer/ friend Paul Wilson and which was used in a very famous photo shoot:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by dcwill:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. Whether or not a guitar survies a crash or not depends on the case, not the guitar. |
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Location: ms | I think most of his records were done on that gibson thats on part of his live dvd. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by gulfcoast:
I think most of his records were done on that gibson thats on part of his live dvd. That was my understanding as well. He and Maury had a couple of Martins they gigged with that show up on some of the early videos. And then somebody from AR (Hennessey?) intercepted them on the road and stuck Legends in their hands. Fortunately for Ovation that was just about the time they took off in photo ops, Midnight special, etc. so Ovation got a lot of visibility out of it. I also found it interesting in some of the videos that although the Legends were A/E in quite a few cases Jim and Maury didn't plug them in, they used mics. Or maybe they were doing a milli vanilli ? |
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Location: ms | I`m a big Martin fan and the last couple of Gibsons ive had have been great but i think the Ovations sound the best on that dvd. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Back to the original question of where "the guitar" is at ... I believe it WAS on display at the family restaurant in San Diego where his wife Ingrid lives. Here's a link to the Croce's site where there is a background story on him and the fam.
Croce\'s |
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Location: Texas | According to studio players I have talked to that were on Jim's recording sessions, all that great acoustic guitar work we love on Jim's 3 ABC albums was him playing a Gibson "Dove" model and Maury playing a Martin D-18
these ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2bSvTbvck
They also used custom guitars by Petillo on the last "I Got A Name" album, but they did not record with Ovations, only used them live in concert in the last part of their career.
Patrick Simmons from the Doobie Bros. was the one that showed Jim his Ovation and that is how Jim got interested in them.
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Location: SoCal | You know, this goes back to Charlie's original concept of making a great "workingman's" guitar. Something you could and would take on the road. It sounded great acoustically and plugged in, and was affordable.
Nothing wrong with spending more money on something nicer that you would leave in the studio or home.
Fender had the same idea with the Tele and Strat... |
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Location: Indiana | The History of O book mentions that Jim's Legend survived the crash. Then states that his wife sent it back to the factory. It doesn't say why (inspection, curiosity ?)or how long it stayed there. Maybe Beal can shed some light. |
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by dcwill:
Little chance that guitar would have survived the crash. Whether or not a guitar survies a crash or not depends on the case, not the guitar. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | So if the case does no good why not just bolt a handle to the side of your guitar and be done with it.
I'm not a NTSB inspector but I think the inference that his guitar survived the crash because of some super human guitar powers is total bullshit. If Croce was curled up in the back where the guitars were maybe he would have survived as well. |
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| No need to get contentious. No one said the case "does no good". It's just not the sole determining factor as you claimed. Steve Vai beat you with the idea of having a handle built-in on his Ibanez models. ;)
Some guitars are more fragile than others. Ovations have a well-earned reputation for being rugged. Martins do not, and in fact are much lighter and more fragile than other traditional guitars, such as Guilds. That was my entire point about the D-21 likely not faring as well in a crash as the Ovations.
A lot of that has to do with the materials and construction, but even the geometry of the bowl helps distribute forces around the periphery of the back instead of focusing stress at glued seams and braces. Synthetic backs have no grain weaknesses either.
And it's well established that where people sit in a plane affects their chance of surviving a serious crash, but that's still only a very small factor in the overall equation. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Not contentious at all. There is no right/wrong answer as nobody knows for sure is a different guitar in a different case in a different location of the plane would have fared better or worse.
I agree with you that on average a plastic guitar should fare better in catastrophic accidents than a wooden guitar. The thing that I'm sure we all agree is that we would have rather had the guitar get destroyed instead of its owner. |
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| I have a couple of Ovations that should be in a plane crash... |
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