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tripp2k
Posted 2016-06-27 7:18 PM (#526355)
Subject: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Plano, TX		I'm hoping to pick up a shallow (or shallower) bowl acoustic-electric, cutaway and normal sound hole that will predominantly be plugged in and easily played standing up. Considering some of the higher end models from back in the day, but don't really know where to begin. Hoping you gals and guys can send me off in a productive direction.

Whar should I look out for when buying used Ovations? Any common issues that tend to show up that I should look closely at?

I mainly play Taylor and Radio King but looking to get my Ovation on with a new gig.

Thanks in advance
Tripp
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-27 8:49 PM (#526359 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		high end SSB with a regular sound hole, look for an 1869. One step less is an 1867

Here's an R869 (an 1869 with an additional Roland synth pickup)



Make sure the action is good. Even better if there's shims still under the bridge.
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tripp2k
Posted 2016-06-28 6:17 AM (#526366 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Plano, TX		Damon, that is beautiful. Now time to find a good one.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2016-06-28 7:12 AM (#526367 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains		Adamas also made a few high end SSB models, which is all I use these days. Very comfortable playing in a standing position and they take up less room in a stand and are easy to handle on stage. Plugged in, the sound is excellent.
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-28 9:52 AM (#526368 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		Yes.... If I had the $, I'd have no problems upgrading all my SSBs to Adamas... aside from the Roland one. But I probably wouldn't do a center hole Adamas.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2016-06-28 1:50 PM (#526374 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR		I have an 1881 SSB Adamas that is surprisingly loud acoustically.

(just an observation )
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2016-06-29 7:41 AM (#526390 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains		I also use a Legend SSB for band practice. I think the model is a 1567 which is a bit rare. Bought it from a member here who had it freshened at the MS.
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tripp2k
Posted 2016-06-29 7:46 AM (#526391 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Plano, TX		Is the XX67 and xx69 the model designation I should be looking for?
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Nancy
Posted 2016-06-29 9:52 AM (#526393 - in reply to #526391)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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tripp2k - 2016-06-29 7:46 AM

Is the XX67 and xx69 the model designation I should be looking for?


I think, according to the FAQ's Section that the second number is the depth designation X8XX for Shallow Bowl Models.
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-29 12:24 PM (#526396 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		The 1567 and 69 were only made the first year. After that, the model# changed to the 1867 and 69.

Same guitars for the most part. The main difference is the 15xx had an older stacked knob preamp. I used to have one (pic below). This was the first year of not only the SSB, but the cutaway in general on all the other models. The deep bowl cutaways had the same preamp and were only made for a year too, the cutaway Legends had a different model number for that one year as well (1667 and 1669). The deep bowls actually had parts cutaway, then added a second bowl piece glued in place to form the cutaway. I've had a couple of these too, and for some reason, they just sound great.

Here's the 1567 shallow bowl:



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tripp2k
Posted 2016-06-29 5:41 PM (#526397 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Plano, TX		Y'all have me GASing with those pics. Beautiful gits.
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tpa
Posted 2016-06-30 2:14 AM (#526404 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Denmark		Damon67 is very gifted with that camera and the red blanket.
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Nancy
Posted 2016-06-30 10:06 AM (#526407 - in reply to #526404)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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tpa - 2016-06-30 2:14 AM

Damon67 is very gifted with that camera and the red blanket.


EXTREMELY Gifted!!!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2016-06-30 10:27 AM (#526408 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: SoCal		Damon, I always thought that the 1667 was a mid depth bowl cutaway Legend, not a ssb. It was only out for a year or so. It was A braced and as you stated, it had the stacked tone/volume control at the waist.
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 10:55 AM (#526409 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		The 1667 and 1669 were deep bowl Legends with cutaways. The mid bowl didn't come out for another 10 years unless you consider the artist bowl a mid.

I had a black 1667 that had the sweetest action and sounded oh so nice, one of the nicest sounding O's I've ever had. I sold it to Alison after getting the Al Di Meola CL. Stupid stupid stupid, but she really enjoyed it while she had it, then made a buck or two on it.

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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 11:02 AM (#526410 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		Here's a pic of the inside where they cut the bowl to make the cutaway and added the other piece. Once they had a cutaway mold, they stopped this practice. The 1667 and 1669 models became the 1767 and 1769 and the preamp was upgraded as well.





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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 11:03 AM (#526411 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		BTW, I should add that Woody helped me instal an Op50 into this black beauty. It was really a stellar axe.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2016-06-30 11:22 AM (#526412 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: When??		Damon.. for some reason I remembered the 1667 as having fingerboard inlays that were round.. and the 1669 had the diamonds. Am I thinking of a different Legend paring.. like maybe the 1567/69?
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 12:35 PM (#526413 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City

The balladeer had dots... the 1661 was the cutaway version of the balladeer from that era (1561 for the shallow bowl).

Both the Legend and the Custom Legend have diamonds, though there are more inlays on the custom (and they're abalone instead of MOP)



Edited by Damon67 2016-06-30 12:37 PM
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Love O Fair
Posted 2016-06-30 1:40 PM (#526415 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: When??		Ah.. doh!.. the standard/custom Balladeer pairings did dot/diamond.. yep.. I had that mixed up with Legends. Thanks for the correction.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2016-06-30 1:56 PM (#526416 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E


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Location: Indiana		My 1677-X is a mid bowl with the pieced together cutaway. Built in '82. Agree with Damon, for some reason these sound great.

Edited by Jonmark Stone 2016-06-30 1:57 PM
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 3:40 PM (#526422 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City

Ahhh... Yours is probably what Moody was remembering. I should change my statement then. Mid bowls WERE available.



Edited by Damon67 2016-06-30 3:42 PM
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 3:50 PM (#526423 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		hmmm... I've never had one of these. There's one on eBay right now, same era with the pieced together cutaway. Tempting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-86-Ovation-Balladeer-Acoustic-Electric...

Apparently, these were only available during the pieced-together era. They must've cut up the artist bowl just like the deep bowls, but didn't continue to make a mold for them until the mid bowls later.

Here's a quote from Mr Moody in the archives:

"From a 1983 catalog, I'm reading that the 1677 is the Legend sahllow bowl cutaway, not a Glen Campbell model (I'll get to that in a second). It was built in the first one or two years of the cutaways.

Per the catalog, it has a AAA spruce top and an "A" bracing pattern. It has the stacked volume tone control.

As noted above, it's not a Glen Campbell model, but it should be. For some reason (maybe they were phasing out the GC models at this time) Ovation decided to call the guitar a Legend even though the only difference between this guitar and the GC model was the cutaway.

Regardless, I've always thought that this was a keeper guitar (or it would be if I ever had one). A fuller sound than the original GC Artist (due to the better "A" bracing pattern as opposed to the GC's VT-8 pattern), and a cutaway. I think you are going to be very very happy with this guitar."
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 4:04 PM (#526424 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		So, to wrap it up...

Early 80's 82ish to 84ish:
1567 - Super Shallow Legend
1569 - Super Shallow Custom Legend
1677 - Shallow Cutaway Legend (Glen Campbell really)
1667 - Deep Legend cutaway
1669 - Deep Custom Legend cutaway

After:
1867 - Super Shallow Legend
1869 - Super Shallow Custom Legend
1767 - Deep Legend cutaway
1769 - Deep Custom Legend cutaway

and the shallow/artist/campbell thing was discontinued
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Damon67
Posted 2016-06-30 4:07 PM (#526425 - in reply to #526355)
Subject: Re: Advice Sought: Shallow bowl A/E



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Location: Jet City		But if you want to continue on, we can move into Elites. Personally, I like using Super Shallow Elites. These are the 2 I'm usually playing when plugged in these days...



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