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Location: Lebanon, TN | I just received my latest copy of Recording Magazine and there is an article in there by a Frank Gryner which is entitled:
"Withstanding Ovations"
'Do You enjoy challenges? Miking an Ovation bowl-back guitar qualifies as a recordinging challenge, but it can be done. Here's How.'
I typically avoid recording Ovation bowl-back guitars as I generally favor big, open,natural tone out of an acoustic insturment. When given no alternative but to track one of these guitars, you can get very good results by minding some basic principles. The advice I'll be passing on should also work for any cheaper acoustic guitar from which you may be expected to pull a sonic miracle"
The rest of the article is a simple ABC of recording an acoustic guitar of any brand.
No mention of the difference in mike placement for an Elite style guitar versus Legend center hole style
No discussion of DI'ng as an alternate track to the mic'd track (which I use a lot)
No discussion of the pre-amps with XLR
No discussion of the latest OP-Pro or studio preamps never mind the VIP
No discussion of the different tonal variations with different styles of O or the high end adamas range.
They even have the timerity to put a picture of the 2006FKOA which as far as I am concered is one of the most interesting tonal instruments (plugged and unplugged) that Ovation has produced in some years with the VIP and a contour back.
I am writing to the editor to vent my spleen and copying the wonderful Mr Gryner on my response.
For anyone who wants to pitch in I can forward a copy of the article by email. Frank Gryner's email at the magazine is
gryner@recordingmag.com
He claims to be an LA producer/recording engineer, so if any of our West Coast brethern wants to invite him to an education session feel free.
Grrrrr!!!! |
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Location: Midland, MI | And all this time I thought you just plugged an Ovation in when you wanted to record it. :rolleyes: |
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Location: NJ | . . just make sure you spell "fuckwit" with just one "t" . . |
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Location: SoCal | I'd like to see a copy of the article.
Temp, you wanna weigh in on this? This guy is a 34 year old f%*kwit who lives up in Hollywood. I could post a home phone number but his email will suffice. Ignorance is different from maliciousness, and with a little work, can be corrected. |
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Location: Melbourne Fl. | I'd love to read the entire article...............then respond thanx slydog |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | There are way to many "engineers" (term used loosely) who know the theory of recording, but just don't have the practical experience. In other words, they don't have the ears. |
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| This guy just sounds ignorant...or, actually he probably isn't that good at it so he never get's any experience... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I think somebody should invite him here to discuss the article with Cliff and Temp. That worked out pretty ok before. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | That worked out pretty ok before. Speaking of which, anyone know what has happened to GN_Nick? |
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Location: NJ | The guy's got some sizeable credentials (Mission Impossible2 and a bunch of Rob Zombie), but nothing I would take as an overt "authority" on recording acoustic guitars . . .
Y'also have to take into consideration that it's what "HE" likes in the sound of an acoustic guitar (". . as I generally favor big, open,natural tone out of an acoustic insturment . .).
It's all a matter of preference.
Probably a Taylor fan. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Nashville TN. | SM-81 with it in the bottom of the neck position
works great |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | As Mr. O said, he doesn't have the ears. If you look at what he thinks is his best work, ie Rob Zombie, Crystal Meth etc. he's not really tuned to an ovation or adamas sound. He could've said, "I don't like the clear crisp full sound of an adamas, prefering a tone muddled by wood ... but if someone insists on recording such a thing, this is how I do it ..."
He doesn't know what he's talking about; makes me wonder that he's got some friends who've supported because it's not native talent. |
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| He probably had a shallow body applause to use.
These guitars ruin so many peoples idea of what these guitar are. They see the cheap guitars in the shop, try one out to see what all the talk is about, then, because they do not think much of them from that one try, they tell everyone how bad Ovations are because they tried out a $225 guitar once.
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Location: Scotland | This is absolute shite. I'm not even going do dignify it with a response, except to say you either have a grasp of recording principles and a pair of ears or you don't, and I would suggest that regardless of this guy's track record he has neither.
The fact is, that from an experiencied recording engineer's standpoint, Ovations are easier to record than the majority of acoustic guitars because they are much better balanced throughout the playable range, therefore they need less additive EQ. You can't EQ in what isn't there in the first place, but if there's plenty of everything you just notch out what you dont want to hear. He probably thinks a parametric is some guy who drives an ambulance. |
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Location: Orange County, California | Perhaps he should read their magazines own Tips section . It's all about your attitude. Even if an instrument or singer sounds like $4it, it's a good sound guys job to make them look cool, not put down anyone (or their choice of guitars), EVER!! |
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Location: Scotland | Damn right. With a good player I can make a great recording with any guitar. It's not about the instrument or the recording equipment or even the microphones, it's entirely about the conviction of the performance and the skill of the recording engineer. The guy is a charlatan. |
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Location: Tennessee | When you can make a crappy player sound good, I've got a job for you. ;)
Funny, (Caveat: I am not a pro engineer ... can't even be considered an amateur), I have a lot of trouble getting the Martin and Gibson sounding good when I record them. Lots of tweaking and such ... and it's a pain. I don't have any trouble getting the Ovations to record quite nicely. But maybe that's because I don't know what I'm doing. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by cruster:
And all this time I thought you just plugged an Ovation in when you wanted to record it. :rolleyes: That's what I was gonna say!!
[So I'll just let you repeat it here :p ] |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Originally posted by cruster:
And all this time I thought you just plugged an Ovation in when you wanted to record it. :rolleyes: That's what I was gonna say!!
[So I'll just let you repeat it here :p ] |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | In his case I think F@ckwit should have two ts, Fahquitt!!!
There, how's that? |
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Location: Scotland | How about a Pee-aitch as well.... "Phuckuitt"? |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | It's quite alright to post your vent[s], but is it necessary to make use of profanity?
No offense everyone ... |
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Location: Scotland | phukk u
No offense everyone ...
I've just re-read the recording article, mostly because I COULDN'T F*$KING BELIEVE IT the first time, and basically it's....... "This is how you record acoustic guitars and by the way, Ovation guitars are shit, I hate them, but that's OK, these instuctions will work anyway, doesn't matter what guitar you have"
The theory is totally valid, the content is not. What a F*$KING Wanker. |
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Location: Hicksville, NY | None taken Paul. I just happen to believe that there are better and more effective ways to vent out, and get the message across without the use of foul language [correct me if I'm wrong]. I wasn't in favor of the recording article either, and I think it was written out of utter ignorance and arrogance on the author's part -- just my .02 cents. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by ignimbyte:
None taken Paul. I just happen to believe that there are better and more effective ways to vent out... Well, sure, there's always pistols at dawn. Or, grenades at forty paces. Or...
:p
(I agree with your assertion, by the way; my flippancy notwithstanding) |
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Recording Magazine Article - Grrrr makes me angry
