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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 6:54 PM (#98139)
Subject: OT: PHOTOS OF MARTIN FACTORY TOUR


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Here's some random photos from the Martin factory tour.


The Martin Factory


Al: OFC shirt, Martin guitar


Jerome (thinking of his Adamas) and Tom


Some very old museum pieces


Examples of back purfling


Check out the license plate!


Necks fretboards and bridges
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 6:55 PM (#98140 - in reply to #98139)
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Rick Nelson leather tooled


Finished guitars waiting for inspection


Cool heel on the multi ply laminated necks


Bodies waiting for gloss


Bodies after gloss


Yummy, herringbone and rosewood


An example of early X bracing in the museum


A slotted headstock where the strings don't rub on the wood
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 6:56 PM (#98141 - in reply to #98139)
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Stacks of rims


Martin's prototype flame guitar, very cool


Glueing up the kerfing the old fashioned way


Attaching the body binding


Kerfing, rims and tail blocks


Scalloped braces, and lots of them


Investment tip: buy stock in clothes pins


Waiting for the glue to dry
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 6:57 PM (#98142 - in reply to #98139)
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As archeic as this looks, it seems to work


Trimming the braces


High end neck blocks by the dozens


600 guitars a day


Museum display of an old workshop


The company van


ONE OF america's guitars
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Designzilla
Posted 2007-05-27 7:31 PM (#98143 - in reply to #98139)
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Thanks Dave. It's really interesting to look at this compared to the Ovation tour pics. Is the Martin factory much bigger than the Ovation factory?
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-05-27 7:55 PM (#98144 - in reply to #98139)
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Nice Dave, thanks for the pics!!
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-05-27 8:02 PM (#98145 - in reply to #98139)
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Dave,

Really nice pictures. Thanks for posting them. :cool:
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-05-27 8:30 PM (#98146 - in reply to #98139)
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Wow! Amazing! Thanks.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 8:47 PM (#98147 - in reply to #98139)
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Originally posted by Designzilla:
Is the Martin factory much bigger than the Ovation factory?
It's a pretty big operation. Not exactly sure how it compares to Ovation. They said they build 600 guitars a day.

Dave
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-27 11:12 PM (#98148 - in reply to #98139)
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So Dave, did you play the most expensive thing they had, then say,
"Real Nice! But I like my Balladeer better!" :cool:
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-27 11:32 PM (#98149 - in reply to #98139)
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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So Dave, did you play the most expensive thing they had, then say, "Real Nice! But I like my Balladeer better!"
They'd probably ask "What's a Balladeer?"

Interesting thing about the Martin vs. Ovation factory assumptions: One would assume (I did) that ovations were all high tech aero space blah blah blah, but I was amazed on my first visit to New Hartford to see how much hand craftsmanship goes into an Ovation. Likewise, I had this assumption that the martin factory would be a bunch of old men whittling necks and stuff. But I was amazed to see how high tech it was. Lots of CNC, robotics, a nifty laser fret leveler and nut cutter. All in all I'd say Martin and Ovation have about the same mix of high tech and hand craftsmanship. The main difference I would say is how much labor (and material) that Martin has to put into the back and rim construction. There's really a lot to it which no doubt accounts for a much of the cost difference vs. Ovation. Replace all that with a plastic bowl and the guitars (and construction techniques) are not that different.

Dave
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alpep
Posted 2007-05-27 11:33 PM (#98150 - in reply to #98139)
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i am pictured with a d 35. I own a late sixties d 35 the one I played did not hold a candle to the one I own AND the tak ef 75 would blow it out of the water any day of the week.

i'll keep my adamas
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-27 11:46 PM (#98151 - in reply to #98139)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So Dave, did you play the most expensive thing they had, then say, "Real Nice! But I like my Balladeer better!"
They'd probably ask "What's a Balladeer?"

Interesting thing about the Martin vs. Ovation factory assumptions: One would assume (I did) that ovations were all high tech aero space blah blah blah, but I was amazed on my first visit to New Hartford to see how much hand craftsmanship goes into an Ovation. Likewise, I had this assumption that the martin factory would be a bunch of old men whittling necks and stuff. But I was amazed to see how high tech it was. Lots of CNC, robotics, a nifty laser fret leveler and nut cutter. All in all I'd say Martin and Ovation have about the same mix of high tech and hand craftsmanship. Dave
I really like that video clip from the French Folk about the 2005(?) Tour
When I saw that I was impressed withe the Hand-Craftsmanship. I was glad that there was so much stuff that a machine can't really do better than a Human.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-05-27 11:50 PM (#98152 - in reply to #98139)
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PS Can anyone find that link to the 2005(?) Factory Tour, in French, with all that cool music.

I had to Brainwash my computer, and lost all my links.

I would appreciate it
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-28 12:13 AM (#98153 - in reply to #98139)
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I agree with Al. There were about 5-6 guitars out in the waiting area you could play. D35, 000-28 EC, OM something, X-something, a 16 series and some aluminium resonator that sounded like dangling donkey dooks. On paper some of these should have been really nice sounding guitars, but they all must have been sonic rejects of some sort or another. Just aweful. As a "brand" (which is a pretty broad brush), I think Martins are some of the best sounding guitars you can buy. But these samples were some serious dogs. Dave
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-05-28 12:33 AM (#98154 - in reply to #98139)
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Don't know why Dave, but I never really considered all the work that goes into the back and side of Martins vs. the Ovation bowl, as a factor of the cost differential, but it does make sense....
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Jérôme
Posted 2007-05-28 5:57 AM (#98155 - in reply to #98139)
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I'm glad to share my pictures of the Martin Factory Tour with you:
MARTIN FACTORY TOUR 2007

It was funny to visit the factory with my Ovation shirt (like Al and Dave)... :D

J :)
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2007-05-28 8:22 AM (#98156 - in reply to #98139)
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Thank you both very much for these interesting pictures. I just can't get enough of those production stills.

Kurt
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-28 11:16 AM (#98157 - in reply to #98139)
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Martin makes some very nice sounding guitars.
They sound even better with Adamas Strings.
I have a D-28 and it sounds great.
Action ok, not great.
Does it sound better than my Ovation TBolt or my Guild D-25? No just different.
My only complain about Martins is no factory service
and they awefully deicate and easily damaged.
I not comfy with taking Martin out and about in winter cold or summer heat.

In terms of the samples being dogs I bet it has more to do with the speed at which Martin strings go dead. I noticed they drop off badly after day 2.
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PEZ
Posted 2007-05-28 11:19 AM (#98158 - in reply to #98139)
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Jerome???
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
You wore an Ovation shirt on a Martin Tour
I love it.
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Charlie Ramon
Posted 2007-05-28 12:37 PM (#98159 - in reply to #98139)
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Thanks Dave and Jerome for these great pics. I've already seen some of the German luthier workshops but never have been in such a high-tech guitar factory. I realized that they even spray the bodies with roboters!

I also can contribute a picture to this Martin thread. Today I had a trip with my family to Markneukirchen which is a center of German musical instrument making (they call themself "The Musictown"). Here C.F. Martin was born and had his first guitar shop before he emigrated to the US in 1833 due to conflicts with the violin makers guild. They have a nice museum of musical instruments there with some wonderful instruments from that era. They look the same as some of the instruments in the Martin museum in Nazareth on Jerome's pics (called Stauffer style guitars):



C.F. Martin IV visited this museum some years ago and donated them a HD-28 which is also shown there.

Karl
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-05-28 12:39 PM (#98160 - in reply to #98139)
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B-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l!
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colt357
Posted 2007-05-28 10:42 PM (#98161 - in reply to #98139)
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Guys, very nice pictures. Thank you for sharing.

This forum gets more educational all the time! :)

Dave
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Patch
Posted 2007-05-28 11:08 PM (#98162 - in reply to #98139)
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Several years ago, my then-friend-eventually girlfriend-eventually fiance-now wife (like I said...several years ago! :cool: ), invited me to meet her family in Bethlehem, PA. While we were their, she took me to the Martin factory (a 20 minute drive) for the DAILY tour. (I SO wish Ovation would do that! My schedule somehow manages to preclude the OFC tour year after year!)

Anyway, upon entering, the door had barely closed behind us, when a thunderstorm of surprisingly strident fury cut loose outside with hard enough rain to make you worry about the finish on your car! :eek: We were the only two patrons in the building, and no one was going to be stepping out of that maelstrom! So the lady in the gift shop snagged a passing tech in the hallway and asked him to show us around. We could not have been treated more kindly than if we were C.F. Martin's long lost great niece and nephew!

This guy took his time showing us around, let us gawk as much as we liked, and occasionally introduced us to his friends if they were free. It was a genuinely pleasant and friendly afternoon with the staff of Martin Guitars. I've rarely enjoyed a tour so much.

I keep thinking I'll go again almost every time I visit the in-laws, but I'm positive I'll get stuck with some group of no-it-all, loudmouths who would ruin my memory of the place. (If anyone from the Ovation Factory tour thinks I'm referring to them, I'm not!...But I am curious as to why you have such a guilty conscience. :p )

I will say this though, whatever may come, you'll never hear me say anything bad about Martins. The people who work on them from the gift shop clerk to the guitar box shippers are just too nice to speak ill of. :)

Oh....and they make a darn good guitar too! :D
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Heather48dd
Posted 2007-05-30 1:36 PM (#98163 - in reply to #98139)
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Very Interesting,but I hope Martin doesn't mind I love my 25 years old Ovation Deep Bowl better.Who says Ovation doesn't sound better with age.
Great story though......2 thumbs up.
Bye Heather
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