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Location: Texas | I come on here once in a blue moon and it is a thread like this when I realize why I don't come on this MB more. And if you don't like my opinion, it won't hurt my feelings.
Michelle - you have your opinions - stick to them and don't let anyone take them away from you by calling you too sensitive. JMO
Mike - I am glad you are taking some time off - you don't need some one calling your words sunshine and lollipops and tells you a PM is on the way and then warns you ahead of time that you will be offended. That is way off base and I don't blame you for not reading it!
Al, that was a very good post and very true. Too bad, that is not what is happening on this MB....especially on this thread.
For the person who said they will not direct their young students to this board - that is sad but true. I wouldn't want kids to read most of this either.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Muzza, I was going to send this in a PM, but if YOU have misunderstood me, perhaps everyone has. The "greatest country in the world" was put in quotes because it WAS a quote from the "Happy 4th of July" thread earlier this year. Someone said that, and others took offense. My POINT is that it is an OPINION. I do not take offense at people's opinions as long as they are not contentious when they are stating them. If you insisted that outer Mongolia was the greatest country in the world, and if Miguel said, "No, Brazil is." and if Jerome said, "No, France is.", I would simply be happy for you all that you had found a place you love so much. (My personal opinion is that the Black Hills are the greatest place in the world, and it wouldn't matter WHAT counrty they were located in!)Your opinion does not hurt me one bit. If you like Elixers on Taylors, that's OK with me. I certainly wouldn't get MAD at you for it. I have had some serious discussions with some folks on this board through PM's and e-mails where our opinions were so different they had me questioning their sanity, but in the end, our differences mean nothing compared with our similarities as far as music and guitars go, and in the end, music and guitars are why we are all here. Do I completely ignore everything someone says just because we differ on SOME points? Heck NO! And it bothers me when I see people who have always been friendly with each other start calling each other out about stuff that, in the long run SHOULDN'T MATTER. We are not here to solve the world's problems, we are here to share info and light-hearted banter about guitars.
Now, I'm tired and I'm hungry and I'm going to go eat some lunch. It'll be a chicken sandwich, and I hope that does not offend any vegetarians in the group. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Muzza, I was going to send this in a PM, but if YOU have misunderstood me, perhaps everyone has. The "greatest country in the world" was put in quotes because it WAS a quote from the "Happy 4th of July" thread earlier this year. Someone said that, and others took offense. My POINT is that it is an OPINION. I do not take offense at people's opinions as long as they are not contentious when they are stating them. If you insisted that outer Mongolia was the greatest country in the world, and if Miguel said, "No, Brazil is." and if Jerome said, "No, France is.", I would simply be happy for you all that you had found a place you love so much. (My personal opinion is that the Black Hills are the greatest place in the world, and it wouldn't matter WHAT counrty they were located in!)Your opinion does not hurt me one bit. If you like Elixers on Taylors, that's OK with me. I certainly wouldn't get MAD at you for it. I have had some serious discussions with some folks on this board through PM's and e-mails where our opinions were so different they had me questioning their sanity, but in the end, our differences mean nothing compared with our similarities as far as music and guitars go, and in the end, music and guitars are why we are all here. Do I completely ignore everything someone says just because we differ on SOME points? Heck NO! And it bothers me when I see people who have always been friendly with each other start calling each other out about stuff that, in the long run SHOULDN'T MATTER. We are not here to solve the world's problems, we are here to share info and light-hearted banter about guitars.
Now, I'm tired and I'm hungry and I'm going to go eat some lunch. It'll be a chicken sandwich, and I hope that does not offend any vegetarians in the group. Excellent post Canterbury!!! And I do love those Black Hills and chicken sandwiches lol |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Now, I'm tired and I'm hungry and I'm going to go eat some lunch. It'll be a chicken sandwich, and I hope that does not offend any vegetarians in the group. As long as the Chicken is broiled and not fried... because those fried chicken people are crazy! |
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Location: Newington, CT | A man in a boat on a lake sees another man in the water drowning. Does the man in the boat question the drowning man's beliefs and opinions? Of course not.
He rescues the man.
Every time.
Does the drowning man care whether the man rescuing him shares the same beliefs, values and opinions as he?
Of course not.
He is grateful to be rescued.
Every time.
They might be two men who couldn't stand each other in different circumstances, but each focuses on the task at hand given the current circumstances. And each gives the other a COMPLETE PASS -- at least at that time -- as to his or her underlying character.
Every time.
- The lake is "ignorance-of-some-(not all!)-things-about-music-and-guitars."
- The boat is "the-total-knowledge-possessed-by-all-the-members-of-this-board"
- The resuce, or the task-at-hand, is the sharing of knowledge with those of us who don't have it. Then, it's the gratitude we who receive should hand back.
- And, we are, each of us, BOTH the drowning man AND the man in the boat -- depending on the topic or the circumstances.
If we stay on topic -- rescuing the drowning man -- we'll ALWAYS be fine.
And, if sometimes we hear something we don't like or approve of, let's try hard to remember that -- again, depending on the topic or the circumstances -- we are each and every one of us either the drowning man or the rescuer. Then we can bask in the knowledge that pours forth on these pages.
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...yeah, but there will always be someone who doesn't like the way someone else is performing the rescue... |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Tim in Yucaipa:
...yeah, but there will always be someone who doesn't like the way someone else is performing the rescue... Lololollllllll!!! ain't it the truth!?!? Skin's off their back!
I LIKE it that I learn something new practically every day! |
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Location: Flahdaw | Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Okey Dokey...
I'm reading thread for the first time now. I saw the initial post, wondered what "O'Raqi Jam" meant, but it was a nice few pictures and figured that was it. I didn't notice it grew to be 5 pages long. Like Al, we can't be everywhere.
Frankly, I'm just plain ashamed of many of you. ONE POST... on the FIRST page... drove a group of intelligent people completely off-topic for 4 more pages??? HUH... WTF ???
Just think what would have happened if NO ONE would have responded to that ONE post and just kept the conversation about the topic. What type of pathetic person NEEDS to respond to obvious nonsense?? Is it that you have NO self-control or is it just that your ego's are so huge you positively have to have an opinion on EVERYTHING even if it required NO opinion.
I am thinking of of closing this topic, but frankly... as Slipkid mentioned... it's an entertaining example of why this forum is about OVATION GUITARS.
As far as the "old timers" having left... they haven't gone as far as you think. When they have something worth contributing, they do. I think a few more people should take that approach... ONLY POST IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OVATION GUITARS.
Now, if you have something Off-Topic that you'd like to share... you know we allow that. If you think it's fun, interesting or otherwise worthwhile to the other fans of Ovation guitars... as long as it doesn't contain ANY references to ANY politics or ANY religion... it's likely ok.. If you don't know... then don't post it!!!. That's really simple isn't it.
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/manifesto.asp
Please take special note of the "Off Topic" and "
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" Oh... you've met him then. |
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Location: NW Washington State | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Does anyone else picture Schroeder sitting in a dark room, lit only by the glow from a flickering computer screen,rubbing his withered and gnarled hands together, a sly grin on his haggard and unshaven face, saying....."yesssss, my evil plan is working perfectly. Hahahahahaha" No. |
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Location: closely held secret | LOL Miles. Good post. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | No, I see Schroeder sitting there satisfied at having made his point and that an interesting discussion followed. Satisfied that this discussion caused many here to think about what it is they want, need, and expect from this forum and how it does or doesn’t meet those needs and expectations.
It seems that about every 6-8 months this board goes through some type of upheaval, Brads manifesto gets paraded through (Brad-Nice work there!) and we all get a better understanding of who we are as individuals in this large group. A period of relative calm follows, a series of meetings and get togethers take place and we all grow a bit closer as a viable group made up of individuals with a similar interest.
Can this forum be the same place it was 5+ years ago? Unfortunately, I’m afraid not. There are too many of us with too varied experiences and opinions that invariably lead to ‘confrontations’ such as we are having now. This forum has evolved beyond the ‘boys behind the barn’ place it was in the past and in many ways that is sad. Those that were active at that time were a pretty tight knit group and hardcore Ovation fans. It really is a lost to all of us that they no longer actively participate because in between the raw humor was a mountain of knowledge and more importantly, spirit that I find lacking today.
In return, we do indeed have a larger group, spread throughout the world, and just as in the past, I am proud to take part. I’m confident that I could travel throughout the country, indeed the world, and I would be welcomed as family by people I have never met, but have become ‘virtual’ friends with due to our common association on this forum. It is rare that this type of community exists, but I’m glad that it does.
Schroeder, Cliff, Jeff W, Fred and others (you know who you are) – I miss your wit and banter probably more than any other thing. I also miss your contributions on the history and all things ‘O’ that helped build the foundations this board stands on. Please don’t remain strangers. Paul Templeman, I include you in this same group, but you do stop by now and then to offer up a bit of good information from the well of your vast knowledge. I do appreciate that.
I’ve gone on long enough. I hope I provided a constructive observation, at least one that made a little sense.
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| It ill behoves anyone with 386 posts and an eight month attendance record to attempt to describe me.
Let me say this:_
Nobody here loves the OFC more than me. It was the first and only internet thing I have ever joined and participated in. I have been to two OFC tours. When some of you start dribbling on about "the finest community of friends" and all of that shit most of you don't know what you're talking about. When I had a death sentence pronounced on me it was my immediate family and a bunch of strangers on the OFC that dragged me through months of surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy and morphine hell. One of them, as older members know, didn't miss a day for close on nine months emailing me to keep my spirits up - days when I couldn't be bothered almost to breathe, I dragged myself to a computer to answer the guy who wouldn't let me quit. I'd never met him. Then, out of the blue he sent me his best guitar - newer guys have no idea how rare/important/unique the U681t is in Ovation's one-off and custom build history - across the ocean and utterly trusting. I have never met a better human being. When I was recovering I made it to my first OFC tour - but only because he took me into his home and life and got me through it all. At the Tour I met a lot of other guys, and I hope it's not an exaggeration to say that half-a-dozen of them have become true friends, both of me and my family in a couple of cases.
At this point I might mention that the biggest, hardest and meanest 3 chord player in the world is one of them, so don't be too rude to me because you might bump into him one day. And he looks like my long lost brother so any comments about my appearance are not wise.
This board was one of the friendliest, wittiest places on earth for a long while. You current posters have no idea how fast this board used to move - it was like Twitter before Twitter was invented. Jeff/cliff/dave/temp/bobbo/weaser/waskel/M-I-B/pauly/filhixx/beal/brad - the list goes on and I'm sorry if I missed anyone I should have included.
MM made reference to my great objection to his use of the word blessings in his sig line. He made it sound like I objected to blessings period. What I objected to was the automatic inclusion in every post. "I changed my strings today - blessings" is not the same as "I became a grandfather today - blessings". Getting your religion from"Bubba's Burger Bar and Bible School" is not the same as someone here who regularly uses his vacation to travel to Africa to actually help people. The crap that so many people post with "religious intent" is just posturing, not a representation of faith.
There is at least one guy here with a HUGE family connection and interest in the military - and he doesn't carp on and on about it even during the periods when he has had children under fire. A real man who understands the meaning of service and sacrifice. Just like the endless cheap use of "blessings" belittles the faith and actions of true believers, so the endless "flag-waving" belittles those who are reading the posts with genuine worries.
Let it also be said - nowhere, to my knowledge and experience, in Europe do people find it necessary to fly flags in their gardens or feel the need to comment in any way shape or form about how much they love their country. To non-Americans visiting this site the endless flag-waving shit is offensive, unwelcoming and off-putting. For Americans who have never travelled it seems that it's us that have the problem - but believe me, I have never felt in my entire life that I have to declare my feelings for England to anyone. That's how Europeans are. Only far right nationalists and outright Nazis seek the cover of the flag to make their activities respectable over here. It's not that what you do is wrong - it's just that you don't/refuse to see how others see you. I assume that all the flag-wavers are not suggesting that all the people I mentioned above are not patriots? There was a regular international membership here which has gone. An occasional post doesn't alter the fact that most Europeans have left.
If what the majority want is an almost American-only board suffused with a morbid sentimentality, then carry on.
For those who don't get this I'm sure Temp will be along shortly with the concise version. Or, maybe even more fearsome, Caravan may drop in to share his thoughts and feelings.
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Location: everywhere | Temp can do it.
I have never liked the little scripture quotes in the signature lines, a cheap shot at getting religion in every thing they do. Just like the F***ing(see I was controled) bible thumpers who end every sentence with "Praise the Lord" or "Bless You" or other shit like that.
NOW, can we all get back to bitching about why Elixers are Great/Suck and the purity of Taylor guitars? |
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| I think that was the pacifist wing of The Caravan. I've never met him.
And Elixirs suck. |
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Location: SoCal | Schro', my man! God our mother musta been ugly.... |
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Location: Newington, CT | I almost never get up in arms about someone posting silly pot shots at entire peoples. Schroeder, your last post was both moving and REALLY immature.
The story of your recovery (compelte, I hope) from cancer was very moving.
However, so mcuh of what followed was just a childish, silly rant, and you should take a deep breath.
Ex.: "What I objected to was the automatic inclusion in every post. "I changed my strings today - blessings" is not the same as "I became a grandfather today - blessings"."
Schroeder - you survived cancer and THIS torqued you off!?! One is tempted to say: "Get a life." but that would be gauche.
Ex.: "This board was one of the friendliest, wittiest places on earth for a long while. You current posters have no idea how fast this board used to move - it was like Twitter before Twitter was invented. Jeff/cliff/dave/temp/bobbo/weaser/waskel/M-I-B/pauly/filhixx/beal/brad - the list goes on and I'm sorry if I missed anyone I should have included."
Do you think things never change? Just because you don't like HOW it changed, doesn't mean you need to slam an entire people.
Ex.: "The crap that so many people post with "religious intent" is just posturing, not a representation of faith."
Why? Just because you say so? Puh-leeze! Who made YOU the arbiter of what is sincere?!?!? Expecially in written communication! |
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Location: Texas | To non-Americans visiting this site the endless flag-waving shit is offensive, unwelcoming and off-putting. For Americans who have never travelled it seems that it's us that have the problem - but believe me, I have never felt in my entire life that I have to declare my feelings for England to anyone.
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WOOOOO YEEEEE - If he hates Americans for being proud of their flag - he would really hate Texas LOL |
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| Damn! Ya got me.
More fool me to bandy words with my betters.
I gotta go make a donation to Ai Qaeda. Damn!! Ya tricked that out of me as well. |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | If it's possible to return this hi-jacked thread back to Iffy... I was wondering if you all made it out of a room with TJ without trading or buying any guitars? |
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