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Location: Flahdaw | DaveKell - 2012-10-31 7:41 PM
Is it a fair comparison: our attitude to the garage light fittings we buy with our attitude to a guitar we choose?
Is English your first language? can you read for comprehension? The professor put your question to rest for all time with that explanation!
Ha! Way to step up to the plate, DK. People are sick of my mindless banter, so it's nice to see others take up the slack.
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | My Korean Custom Legend probably isn't as good as it's American-made counterpart. Nontheless, it plays awesome. I've been playing since the 70's and I've played literally thousands of guitars. This guitar fits my needs. It's not a showpiece. Though it is very nice looking (it has some bling). A lady who's seen me play for over 30 years. Told me the other day my red guitar looked so much nicer than my black (Adamas W597) one and she said,"You sound so much better with it too!" For what it's worth, I would prefer American, but it fits my needs, On the plus side, Ovation made the money. Not some guy who's had it for 5 years. If everyone did that Ovation would be out of business. I wouldn't like that very much. Maybe the new guy coming in will take another look and bring some back and make them here. Thanks for letting me hang around. |
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Location: south east Michigan | So... Timmy...
This discussion reminds me something I've always wondered.
And, the way this dead horse thread has gone, it will fit right in.
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So... Timmy
PC vs. MAC
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GO!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Brad, with all due respect ... and I'm not just saying this to be funny:
USE THE SEARCH BUTTON !!! This topic has been discussed here ad nauseum. There is a wealth of knowledge and opinions on PC vs MAC here.
Probably thousands of posts await your command. I'm not calling you lazy (perhaps portly would be more appropriate), but this just strikes me as a cry for instant gratification. Read the 5 pages of posts in this thread ... do you really want Tim's or anyone elses opinion on this? Just just the SEARCH button like a good little coconut monkey, read the focking posts and form you own expert opinion.
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Location: Miami | Brad Durasa - 2012-11-01 11:02 AM
So... Timmy...
This discussion reminds me something I've always wondered.
And, the way this dead horse thread has gone, it will fit right in.
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So... Timmy
PC vs. MAC
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GO!
Stop trying to be offensive by calling me Timmy. Is that how you feel you can best strike a blow for some ridiculous stance you've taken over this thread, to make fun of the name of the person who started it? What are you, 12 years old??
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Location: Miami | DaveKell - 2012-11-01 6:02 AM
Timolin - 2012-10-31 11:22 PM
I was interested to hear what the people who are really involved with Ovations had to say.
Really? I would submit from rereading this thread you had your entire spectrum of answers satisfactorily presented to you on page 1 of this thread. My "reading for comprehension" remark I lifted from the smartest guy on another forum who uses it in situations like this where someone keeps pursuing the same thing over and over when their question has been answered. I apologize if it offended you. It was an honest question. and if you think I insulted you, did you miss this one?
"For someone as erudite as you, I'm surprised you used the word "work" when you really meant to say "bullshit".
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Location: Miami | joetunon - 2012-11-01 6:23 AM
Timolin - 2012-10-31 1:53 PM
It'd be interesting to do a blindfold test between a US Ovation and an overseas one.
I'm in your town and I offered you that chance. You said you were too busy. The offer still stands if you mean what you say.
It's a kind offer, and I'd like to take you up on it sometime. Right now, though, I just wanted to talk about US vs. overseas Ovations a bit. It's proving difficult, I'm having to take all kinds of bs., insults and stone-walling from various internet "tough" guys who, no doubt, are delightful when you meet them in real life. The good thing for me, though, is that some people have given some interesting replies and been gracious in doing so. I thank them for that! |
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Location: south east Michigan | StandingOvation... Thanks for the suggestion. I took your advise and found a weath of information in a very short time. I at first hesitated because I feared I might reduce the OFC to a mere data base of cold, hard facts. For almost 9 years now I've come here for the lively, fresh person to person banter. Now I've found... that I can have .... BOTH! .................. Sorry about the "Timmy" thing Timolin. It won't happen again. ......................................... So... Timbow .... Have you got your answers? Or is there one degree in this 360 degree circle that is still shrouded in mystery & shadow? Cause if there is, I can go all night.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Regardless of the content of this thread I have never seen anyone who uses the "quote" function as much as Timolin. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Without him using the quote function, it would be difficult for the rest us to keep track of which insulting and/or derogatory comment Timolin was responding to. |
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Location: SoCal | Timolin - 2012-11-01 11:08 AM I just wanted to talk about US vs. overseas Ovations a bit. noah - 2012-10-30 1:08 PM Timolin, Verdict... you start... Compare the new non-USA-made Ovations to the O's and A's (and other brands) you've acquired over the past five years. Contrast playability, sound, materials, fit & finish, etc. What instruments do you still have? Timolin, I was (and still am) willing to talk about "US vs. overseas Ovations". You start. Tell me how the new non-USA-made Ovations compare to what you've had and played. I included some quotes from some of your old posts. Looks like you have/had some decent guitars... "I have recently bought a 2002 W597 Adamas" "had an Ovation Custom Elite in the 90s that I foolishly sold" "I'm very interested in selling my current nylon string guitar and buying an Ovation" "1680 FS...Is this handsome beast still for sale?" "Adamas 1680...I've bitten the bullet, so to speak and ordered one from Oklahoma Vintage Guitars" "2078LE-AS Elite...mine's #38" "I've just pushed the buttons on a Custom Elite 778LX Black Cherry Burst" "I have a custom 12-fret slothead Martin 000-18GE....But Ovations? I would happily buy 6 of them if I could justify it!" "I'm currently looking at the T-series 1778TX-4CS" "I recently bought a Takamine TF87PT...I used to own an Ovation 1778TX, the black matte-finish one with a spruce top, and I found this really was a little dull on the trebles" |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | "And now I've found that I can have BOTH"
And THAT Bradley is not necessarily a BAD thing ...
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | noah - 2012-11-01 2:31 PM Possible theme for next year's calendar... Boys of the OFC Now that is very funny, Bruce! |
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Location: Denver, CO | Lifted from a current thread in the luthiery department:
""Hi, I just picked up a 1967 shiny back (#1354). It's in decent shape, 3 piece top, 5 piece neck. Has the 'Ovation stress crck below the bridge, but not too bad, more of a surface crack with lacquer checking (not near as bad as my '73 Balladeer), and some more checking along the joint where the heal joins the neck. Very smooth though.
The neck is wonderful feeling and the frets show minimal wear. The sound is really good - way better than my newer Celebrity series. ""
There you go. Independant corroboration from one not previously involved in this discussion. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Tim, are you a lawyer? I don't mean that as an insult, necessarily. I was just wondering, since many are disagreeable, in the sense of argumentative. Most seem to outgrow it, or possibly just get tired of arguing all the time. Others argue every chance they get, perhaps thinking that it helps train them in their craft. Some take it over to chat rooms or comment sections of websites, where they seem to argue instead of "chat" or "comment". |
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Location: Texas | "I can go all night"
I think you are in the wrong forum.
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Location: south east Michigan | well yeah,,, there is that.
still true tho.
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Location: Flahdaw | amosmoses - 2012-11-01 4:28 PM
"I can go all night"
I think you are in the wrong forum.
Maybe he was responding to StandingOvations picture.. |
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Timolin - 2012-10-28 12:28 PM (#461125) ...the black matte-finish one... I found this really was a little dull on the trebles. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Grinna - 2012-10-31 4:02 PM
The key feature of the Ovation guitar though is the lyrachord bowl. The bowl's shape projects the sound, the bowl's materials are consistent and engineered, so the variation in vibration and sound in Ovation guitars is reduced because of the bowl.
As I understand it (and I could be wrong here) the bowls on all Ovation guitars regardless of where they are built are all USA made and are all the same (except of course for the different variations in bowl depth, etc). So where does the variation come from then? The quality of the materials for the soundboard and neck would be the prime suspects, surely.
While the bowls are made in the US, their materials and method of manufacture has changed over the years.
The original bowls made in the late 60s were hand-laid using epoxy resin and fiberglass cloth. When this proved to take too long to manufacture in quantity, the bowls were then made from polyester resin-impregnated fiberglass cloth (prepreg) and were pressed into the shape in a heated compression mold, which reduced the manufacturing time from hours to minutes.
By all accounts, the earlier, hand-laid epoxy bowls produce/produced a superior sound, which is why this is still the preferred method to make a bowl.
Because epoxy resin is structurally stronger than polyester resin, the thickness of the bowls had to be increased, which also increased the weight of the bowls. At some point, a reduction in weight was sought, which resulted in the use of micro-balloons. (phenolic microspheres) Naturally, since the micro-balloons result in less resin usage because they are a filler, their usage not only reduced weight, but also cost because their usage also means less resin is used for each bowl.
Presumably, this usage of micro-balloons did not further degrade the sound projection/vibration capability of the bowls, but as I say, according to what I've read and heard the hand-laid epoxy bowls are better sounding than the compression-molded polyester prepreg bowls.
True, all the bowls are made in the US, but not all US bowls are made equal.
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Location: Flahdaw | Seriously? I think this thread has moved WAY beyond trying to answer Mr T's "questions"... |
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What's the verdict on non-US made Ovations?
