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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Slipkid:
A recent magazine article on "vacation cabin manners" stated that if a guitar is around "friends don't let friends play Moonshadow".
Dang, that was the first serious fingerstyle piece I learned. I still enjoy it. And it has the added benefit of cheesing off the Mrs. who had to listen to me play it over and over whilst learning. :) |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by MWoody:
That might come in when their done putting together the Mary K. Letournou model for young hands.
How about a Martin Lorena Bobbit model with really high action that will really slice up your, uh, fingers.
Man, this place is starting to affect my thought patterns... |
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| Wow another off ovation topic? Been living under a rock I guess, I did not know about Cat Stevens recent history? To bad I used to like his music. I'll personally never play another one of his songs!
Although I feel that dam watch list is a good thing (in the times we live) I do feel it needs to be constantly updtated and investigated better. As it is now, It's got big problems But, I would rather piss off Cat Stevens than let some nut fly my family into the White House!
Ya know if we all lived in that perfect world, where some seem to think we live, Peace, Religion, and Politics could all exist quite nicely together. We could all play music, earn a living and not worry about how the crooked politicians or the twisted religious leaders were going to screw with us today! but hey we just do not live in that world! Not even close bud! Right?
As far as I am concerned I hate to say any one group is evil but the facts remain that many (IF not all) of the terrorists who have and are still willing to die to hurt our country and way of life are Islamic. And where are the big mouth Muslem's who used to try and take center stage in the past like Mr. Faracon or how ever you spell his name and so many others, and why, "WHY" are they not out front in condeming these attacks in this country and overseas every day? If this "Religion" has such a good and wise doctrine to follow why are so many of these lunatic Islamic leaders twisting it's translation so often and creating generations of children and adults who "Hate" for Hates sake? While the rest of the Islamic world sit's on it's proverbial ASS and does nothing! Yeah I wonder just how much of this hatred coming from the Radical Islamic world has the blessings of the rest of the supposedly peaceful Muslems?
I am befuddled at the people who are willing to argue about a list of names while these Fu&^**#g Ba#%^rds are rounding up civilians based upon nationality and beheading them over there! Just for the effect! and tell me if they had a NUKE how long would they have to think about setting it of in NYC? bet about a half a second! Who's the bad guy's here? As far as I am concerned I was all for civil liberties up until 9/11. NO more. I have to say if you are a liberal you have to take a step back. Personally It does my heart good to see a good security check before I and/or my family gets on a plane!
I sure hope I have not offended anyone with these simple minded redneck sort of views about this watch list thing but ya know; I am the poor bas^$rd who is going to be the FIRST ONE to stand up and kill one of these pricks if I was on a plane being hijacked! And I'll bet there will be a few "Liberals" who would try and bring charges against me for murder when we landed!
NOw that's the world we live in and these are tough times! "To He*l with Cat Stevens" I'll take that list of names for now!
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| And another thing! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Back to Guitars - everybody get out your Pete Seeger songbook and play with me.
To every thing, turn, turn, turn... |
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Location: Florida | Borders, language, culture... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yes, Borders do have books on language and culture and all them other things too.
It's good to know that the system is in place and working. Now maybe he is OK and no problem, maybe he should have checked this out before getting on the plane? There is a little more comfort in a screening plan that catches too many than not enough. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | It's just wild, Cat Stevens, a terrorist. Who knows what he is doing. Yea, I guess no Cat model LX in the works. Hey, Morning has Broken........
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Location: Florida | IF he has raised or given money for/to groups supporting terrorism... its as good as pulling the trigger, or pressing the button man. |
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Location: SoCal | Wouldn't you like to see a modern Folklore, 12 frets to the body, with an LX body and neck? How cool would that be? |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by leftovertion:
Unfortunately, what that article FAILED to say is that Islam/Stevens has, in the past, given money to organizations who are sympathetic to the terrorists agenda. He was rightly stopped and questioned based on these facts.
...when you want to know what's REALLY going on, follow the money; our checkbooks say much more about what we believe than our lips do...
The article I read did NOT fail to mention this. He claims he gave money to what he thought were humanitarian relief (food/meds/etc), not to promote terrorism. His many many anti-terrorist statement echo the sentiment of most TRUE believers of Islam - terrorism and murder are wrong and totally against what he and they believe in.
And maybe it did warrant questioning him, but why divert the plane? Hey, they know who Cat Stevens is, why not wait for the plane to land instead of putting everyone out of their way? And also, if he's on the list why was he permitted to board??? If he was a terrorist, wouldn't half way across the ocean a little too late??? |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | That would be a nice guitar but I sure wish the off topic area were open. Or maybe not |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by willard:
That would be a nice guitar but I sure wish the off topic area were open. Or maybe not
Did I ever mention that Cat is one reason I started playing Ovations in the first place???? |
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Location: Central Oregon | I don't see how anything pertaining to music or musicians could really be considered off topic. Especially if some of 'em played Ovation guitars. All of the most fun threads we have on here are the ones that wander around some. Some wander around *a lot*. Good.
Personally I never really paid much attention to Cat Islam or whoever he is. Heard his music way back when. It went in one ear & out the other. As for CCR/Fogerty, I like a lot of the tunes. I never really paid much attention to the words to his songs, other than '..there's the bathroom on the right', or was it 'there's the bedroom on the right' or 'here's m'a bedpan on too tight' or was it 'there's a dead man on my flight'?
I haven't been able to understand the words to songs for years anyway, for the most part. Probably better that way. I would probably be pissed off if I knew the words to half the songs I've been listening to for 35 years. Hell I didn't know Guantanamera was in Spanish until the other night when I saw ol' Whatsisnose on TV singing it & the closed captioning was in Spanish.
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Btw, Randy- it took a lot of balls (or booze :) ) to make that post. Since it was coherent I'm thinking it' was the former. Although I can't say I agree with you 100% I applaud you for having the guts to state your opinion! |
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Location: SoCal | re: "And I'll bet there will be a few "Liberals" who would try and bring charges against me for murder when we landed!"
naw, they would stand up, get in your way, and want to talk about it..."can't we all get along?" or spout Carterisms. |
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Location: Portsmouth England | Originally posted by Bradley:
He claims he gave money to what he thought were humanitarian relief (food/meds/etc), not to promote terrorism.
It's sometimes a little difficult to tell the difference, eg. the Irish Northern Aid Committee. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. |
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| Yeah I'll admit, Nils, Balls I got but brians? That we don't know.
I gotta start a Geeetar thread? |
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Location: Tennessee | My last thoughts on the topic and then (click).
And maybe it did warrant questioning him, but why divert the plane? Hey, they know who Cat Stevens is, why not wait for the plane to land instead of putting everyone out of their way? And also, if he's on the list why was he permitted to board??? If he was a terrorist, wouldn't half way across the ocean a little too late???
The name on the list was Yusuf Islam, not Cat Stevens, and it's not likely the intelligence analysts made the connection. There are a lot of names on the list. The British acknowledged that they didn't get the passenger list scrubbed against the US do-not-fly list in time. Once the flag popped up on US systems, the plane was diverted to the nearest available airport, which was Bangor. Setting the plane down was the correct course of action given the circumstances and our national security posture. A name and profile are just that ... and there are no gray areas in matters of this nature. I know there are red faces within our security agencies over this, but it's reassuring to know our security precautions are indeed working. Whether Yusuf should be on the list at all is a matter that will no doubt be discussed in many venues, especially within our security agencies.
One of my business partners (a Muslim), knows Yusuf personally and has in fact had him as a guest in his home. We talked about this yesterday and he is shocked at what has transpired. He told me that he has never met a more gentle, peace-loving, sincere individual than Yusuf. The tracking of the money to terrorist organizations is clearly a mistake, either on our government's side, or perhaps even on Yusuf's side by donating to organizations who diverted the money to causes other than what Yusuf intended.
Finally, this is not simply a Muslim thing. Remember, the same restrictions were on Garry Adams back in the '80s and '90s during the violent Belfast days. |
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Location: High, in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado | I agree with you Paul. I would love to see/have a guitar like that. I have a Pacemaker 12, and I love it. I'd love to have it's little brother to go along with it.
The news last night showed an older picture of Cat playing his six string slothead joined to the body at the 12th fret... Sure looked nice...
If a person were to, say start looking for one, what would the model number be?
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Location: SoCal | Acoustic electric Folklore -- model 1614. It was discontinued in the early 1980's.
I never thought it had a great unplugged sound. But I have to believe that if Ovation went back and did it with the LX bracing and bowl, it would be a knockout sound. |
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Location: High, in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado | Thanks Paul, I might just keep my eyes open for one... For the right price of course...
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Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma | This is a long one so hang on to your hats or just click to the next reply..
A couple of months ago I bought Cat Stevens "Majicat" DVD... Recorded in 1976 and a great concert... There is a interview with Yusuf Islam in the extras section... Pretty interesting interview about being in the music industry in the seventies... I'd still love to hear him do a live concert of his old music... I'm not privy to all the information that John Ashcroft has on me or on Yusuf... I just know that every time I go thru security at the airport they do everything but strip search me... Don't know why, just happens.... Our government does go overboard at times to "try" to stop potential terrorists from entering the country but I think alittle on the safe side is ok... But, I'll continue to play Cat Stevens music and believe that "Tea for the Tillerman" is one of my top 20 favorite albums... I don't dismiss peoples music because of their political or religious beliefs... Look what happened to the Dixie Chicks... If I like the music it is of little or no regard to me whether a person is Democrat, Republican, Christian or Muslim... After all, do we all denounce (Casius Clay) Muhammad Ali now because he's Muslim... What about Kareem Abdul Jabbar?... The list goes on and on... I know that Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the such are just as dangerous in closing minds and hearts to the acceptance of others as some of the Imans in mosques... Now, people who preach violence in the name of religion are truly a physical threat to our way of life but that's been going on for centuries... The Spainish in settling the New World, The Catholic Church during the crusades... Religion has corrupted the thinking of millions over the centuries because organized religion only works when it has money which equates to power... Control peoples hearts and minds by telling them what God wants and you control their wallets, that equals power.. I'm a non pracicing Catholic from 12 years of Catholic schools... Registered Democrat that will vote for Kerry and I'd be the first one to die trying to stop a terrorist from taking over a plane... Liberal doesn't mean un-American, whimp or liar... Taken from the dictionary Liberal means:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
I'm proud to be associated with this description...
And, I'll be happy listening and playing a very diverse list of songs from a variety of songwriters including, Toby Keith, Dixie Chicks, Cat Stevens, Charlie Daniels ect.. ect.. ect..
Just my two cents worth, (Kicking Soapbox out from under me)..
Gerald
"Man must fight for freedom sure that's what most other people would say
Look for a body to lead them but there's too many to lead them away.
Why wait until it's your time to die before you learn what you were born to do'?
Come on now it's freedom calling but there's only one freedom for you."
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | One last thought. It’s unfortunate that in order to “bring freedom to the rest of the world”, some think it’s OK to sacrifice our own? We’re currently having a Cat Stevens day here in the office with the tunes playing loud and free. Interestingly, the people here who support the governments actions have absolutely no idea who is singing. Figures! |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I think that a 1624 redux would be a popular guitar. Problem is I already have one. |
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Location: SoCal | Ok Bill. I tend to support the government's actions in regard to the terrorist and I know who Cat Stevens is (was?).
Now tell me what you would do to prevent further terrorist attacks in the U.S.? Don't tell me what you wouldn't do as I'm certain you wouldn't have gone to Iraq. What would you have done? What proactive actions would you, President Willard, have done to prevent further attacks?
Aw, this is pointless. I hate blanket statements regarding the stupid of some group of which you're not a member. |
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