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Location: Oregon | Just because people are grown ups, does not mean they know how to discuss things. Before I first posted I went back to read that thread. Even I, being under 18 could see where that was going to end up. Even more so when the f word gets thrown around, and people start presenting subjective material as objective and visa versa....
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| Well I'm done... I've pulled all of my posts and threads that I was able to. would the moderators here please delete the following galleries for me?
1) 1971 balladeer any answers welcome
2) Glenn Hess
3) Glenn Hess Sr
4) Unixycler
GregoryS if you're not comfortable in completing or continuing our transaction I understand.
noone here was ever targeted or marked for abuse by me.
Bruce, after the milk-carton thing you're lucky I didn't take the hatch off, take a dump in it, and send it back to you in pieces....
Peace, Out....
you may remove this ID from the forum.
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Location: SE Michigan | Even more so when the f word gets thrown around, and people start presenting subjective material as objective and visa versa.... Do an OFC forum search on the "F" word, it comes up more than one would think it should. BTW, the "F" word is a commonly used term favored by our friends from the UK, so maybe we should make allowance for their customs. They really mean no harm by it. It's part of the Queen's English
But try a few searches on various other vulgarities and you might be surprised. |
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Location: San Angelo, Texas | did I miss something??? |
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Location: Oregon | Originally posted by Brian T:
Even more so when the f word gets thrown around, and people start presenting subjective material as objective and visa versa.... Do an OFC forum search on the "F" word, it comes up more than one would think it should. BTW, the "F" word is a commonly used term favored by our friends from the UK, so maybe we should make allowance for their customs. They really mean no harm by it. It's part of the Queen's English
But try a few searches on various other vulgarities and you might be surprised. |
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Location: SE Michigan | Al, and I say this totally tongue-in-cheek and with a sense of humor, but were you abused by a politician as a child? You just seem hypersensitive to any use of the P******* word.
The reason I say this is because I went back and re-read the CSNY thread and I really don’t see what was so bad about it other than maybe a few foul words (nothing new here). I admit I took one small jab at Bush which I now regret, but I really didn’t see the thread going out of control.
And I too am curious what's up with you AmazinglyDetached (GH), did I miss something? I sure hope I didn’t offend you in some way. If you’re pissed about something please explain. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just a reminder, this is what everyone agreed to when they joined. You will note that it doesn't specify topics to stay away from, however, we have found certain topics ALMOST ALWAYS end up breaking the golden rule of "be kind to each other."
It usually only takes a gentle nudge, once in awhile to keep things on track, and we know when it's going to go off track.
We do miss a lot. In the scheme of things, it's not that important what we catch or miss. But just because Al and I don't spend our days and nights enforcing rules, doesn't mean they don't exist. We moderate to the extent we feel it needs to be done. With moderation if you will.
Here's how I read the thread in question.
1. Someone posted about a show.
2. By post #3 someone had stated their political leanings.
3. Al asked people to stick to the music.
4. Al was ignored
5. A few more mildly politcal references
6. Al warned again
7. Nearly two pages later the terms "WASP" and "Coward" were used and...
that's it... it was ended.
As this thread has run it's course, I may end it also, unless of course I don't have to. We shall see.
As stated elsewhere, there are some topics we try to stay away from. Religion, Politics and lets watch the bathroom humor too, it's not really necessary. As with most anything in life, moderation (note the small "m") is the key.
Please review the below.
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Besides the below generic legal babble we at the Ovation Fan Club community have really only one rule, "Be Kind To Each Other." It may sound corny, but we have a large community of great folks who do not sit around flaming each other all day, but rather just love to talk guitars and music, especially Ovation guitars and music.
This board is not intended to be a forum to promote any individual agenda be it from a single person, groups, or commercial or private entity. It is a private community of Ovation enthusiasts from around the world, encompassing a variety of backgrounds, ages, and interests. All opinions and discussions are welcome without fear of censorship, with the only "rule" being to be kind to each other. When said discussions and/or opinions become disruptive and/or repetitive and degenerate into personal agenda, we reserve the right to close threads, remove posts, and ultimately suspend participation.
This is a family oriented board, and as such hurling insults will not be tolerated. The offenders will be warned once and continuation of said behavior will result in the offenders account being suspended.
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Location: Omaha, NE | FWIW, I consider myself pretty much an outsider here, but I do think this board has a very unique and positive personality. Compared to others in the guitar world, this one is special. Seems to me like the overall management strategy is working. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Brian, the Amazinglydetached thing was totally unrelated, to the best of my knowledge. Why he posted here is beyond me. |
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Location: SoCal | as to art, a lot of us have different definitions...and, we can (and do) vote with our wallet.
you buy their product, you condone their effort. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "you buy their product, you condone their effort."
I'm not sure "condone" is the right word. I have bought music for which I didn't like the artists "opinions" on whatever subject, but I liked the music and that is what's important to me when I buy music. I may be "supporting" them, but I don't think "condone" is the most correct word.
It's the same with some organizations I belong to. I in general don't like their stance on many policial issues, but on the issue for which I paid my money, I like what they do. Am I in affect supporting causes I don't agree with. Well yes, but more important to me, is I am supporting the issue or cause or product that is important to me.
after all... it is all about me (inside joke).
Omaha, I like your insight... "don't fix what ain't broke" :) Thanks |
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Location: Michigan | Holy Shit!!!
I have to say that this is what a bulletin board is all about!!!
This is by far ( BAR NONE ) The best thread that I have ever seen on this site.
This is what a great bulletin board is all about.
I am actually seeing O.F.C. members saying what they actually feel about an issue without a whole bunch of joking going on
( which is fine with me )
on a subject that has struck a nerve with the club.
No offense to AL or BRIAN but both of you have struck a nerve on everybodys own personal opinion on what we as individuals stand for !!!
This board is great and all off us are now getting our real feelings out about a certain subject that needs attention.
I personally think that this thread is one of the most serious
( no bullshit, down to earth , face to face )
best ones that I have ever seen on OFC.
Lets make a positive issue out of this thread and continue on with a great guitar board and better yet , a real life board.
KEEP THIS THREAD GOING , THATS WHAT OUR
O.F.C. CLUB IS ALL ABOUT.
DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU GUYS???
LETS TALK ABOUT IT AND MAKE SOME PEACE HERE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONES ISSUES ARE .
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Location: SoCal | First of all, I don't judge others as to their values/actions/attitude...may ignore them, pity them, or not understand their decisions.
Of course, unless their values result in illegal or anti-social actions - then, I probably have a program that results in my ability to buy guitars ;)
We all balance the artist and the "art"...many Republican matrons go to Steisand concerts then complain about her advocacy. The matrons would ignore a solicitation to support her causes but justify rewarding her financially since they enjoy her music. Again, the individual attends or buying CD's but saying gee, I wish he or she wasn't pushing an agenda. So, we usually make a judgement that is measured in degrees...will do this but not that. Then, sometimes we pull the plug and vote with our wallet. One individual doesn't make a difference but a large number will.
I won't make a reference to music artists to avoid starting another "problem" thread. Looking at Portland and San Diego...several theaters and dance companies/troups lost part of their audience/donors. No action to stiffle or censor, just not interested. Management of the theater or dance group wants to continue their efforts, they need to understand that they are entertainment...some may not be entertained. |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | No, I don't agree with the coarse of this thread at all. I think we need to focus on whats really important,like beautiful young ladies playing Ovations:
Sammy&Sasha
I want to take my young (12&14yrs) daughters to see Kaki King (who is doing something GOOOD) this Tuesday. I'm sorry if you can't relate.
:D :D :D Beaver Cleaver :D :D :D |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Good find there Phil! |
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Location: Oregon | They play EVERYTHING with a capo it seems, on the second fret. Have they forsaken the bass opting for all treble? |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Brian T:
Al, and I say this totally tongue-in-cheek and with a sense of humor, but were you abused by a politician as a child? You just seem hypersensitive to any use of the P******* word.
to answer your question totally tongue in cheeck.
No but I did go to catholic school.
to be a little more serious. I have a degree in Political Science. Spent 4 years studying US and forgien political systems. I also put in time as in intern in local state congressman's offices's etc. Most people talk politics from an emotional level and I from an academic viewpoint. Therefore these interchanges are of little value to me on a personal level. Regardless of my personal views, I just choose not to engage in those types of discussion. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I was one of the people who posted in the CSNY thread. I, like most of the other posters, kept things civil. Most of us were discussing musicians using concerts to push their political agendas. However, ther WERE several posts that were getting nasty and if Al and Miles felt that it was time to pull the plug, I don't blame them at all. If they don't want politics in this forum, that's their choice. It IS their joint!
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Location: south east Michigan | Wow... my internet connection at home goes out for a day and look what I miss.
I think this board was waiting for the CSN&Y thread to happen. It was just the right thread to make a clear example of just where "the line" is drawn. Most times that line is rather vague or moved around for convenience.
I like to think I have a good number of friends. There are only a few of them with whom I would discuss religion or politics. I would like to think that I have made some good friends on this board. There are a few of them with whom I would discuss religion and politics with. However, I would only do this on a one to one basis. Face to face or e-mail to e-mail. I think it rude and inappropriate to assume that the hundreds(?) of others who read an OFC thread want to eavesdrop on my very personal discussion with another member.
The CSN&Y thing is a perfect example for this reason. When we step up to the keyboard we are, in a real sense, also stepping up on a stage in front of perhaps a couple hundred people. With that responsibility I try to keep in mind what brought those people to this venue in the first place. I would not want to get up and play the latest rap hit in front of folk who came to listen to Bluegrass. (come to think of it...I don't want to play rap at all!) :D
Bottom line is that I do not concider my views and opinions to be so "right" that I need to take advantage of the good will of this venue and spout off from the stage. I'm not so arrogant to think that I can sway anothers very personal and heartfelt beliefs in this kind of format.
In closeing....as I prepare to yeild this "stage" to the next member I have two last points.
A)...Although I have been against it in the past, perhaps it's time to have a seperate "open discussion" section. Give them a room lined floor to ceiling with thin mattresses and let them have at it. Those feel who comfortable with the medium can get it out of their system. Personally, I would avoid it.
2)....I spent about 15 minutes at the link Brian offered. It's miss-named. It's dis-jointed and confused. It should be named "Politics and Pottpurri Board That Tolerates Some Talk Of Acoustic Guitars". It would be a shame if the OFC became such a site.
C)....one more point... Michael Jordon (da-Bulls), who is very much a person of the Democratic type, was taken to task for his unwillingness to show up at Democratic fundraisers. His replay was..."Looking at the last vote, about half the people out there are Republicans....they also buy Nike shoes." |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Time for a group hug! A big thanks to Al and Miles for all they do. Weather we agree with their decisions or not, it's still the best board aROUND. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | First off, we talk religion all the time here. Guitars and the way we feel about them ARE a religion.
Political stuff, So many music people get caught up in various points of view and feel obligated to share the light they've seen (as in jam it down nonbelievers throats). I really liked the Al J quote above, "JUST DO THE MUSIC"
Criminal Stills and Hash are pretty much over the hill so maybe they need another angle to excite the audience?
Nuff Said.
Oh and the bathroom stuff, that seens to make the circuit on the private email. It's really twisted, please keep it up. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | KUMBAYA, anyone? Those babes and Elite T's were the best thing that's come out of this discussion. |
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Okay, with a good perspective on this here's my thoughts...Over the last 2 years I have been a frequent participant in a songwriting board. I love the drive to write new music and more improtantly it was a great place for my daughter (16) and I to share. She found it first and I went on to encourage her music and songwriting. Along the way it spurred me to write afew things myself and find a reason to make the time to spend more time on my music rather than work and other distractions.
However over the last 2 years I have been disappointed that the general community their spends 80% of there time on topics other than the purpose of the board even on threads that should be specific. It has been immensely frustrating and I have seen a lot of destructive behaviour because of a deliberate policy of very lax moderation (with some bizarre exceptions like one moderators total banning of any reference to wikipedia...bizarre!!). Primarily because of this I now don't want to return there other than to share with a relatively small number of people who have become friends.
I love coming to OFC because it is a complete contrast and I appreciate the common interest of the folks here. Maybe the demographic is closer to my own and I am more comfortable (insightful comment from said 16 yr old daughter) but it does seem a gentler more appreciative place.
For what it's worth I will happily continue, just sad to see people chose to leave because they don't like the constraints of the community or it's leadership. But the vote to not come back is the clearest one anyone can take if they feel uncomfortable and no-one will force them to return so web democracy continues.
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Location: SE Michigan | I have to ask; did any of you guys actually read the CSNY thread? (I realize a few of you did). The terms that were found to be objectionable were “coward” and “WASP” (oh the horror!). And we were discussing musicians, not a particular political bent.
Brad you said;
I think it rude and inappropriate to assume that the hundreds(?) of others who read an OFC thread want to eavesdrop on my very personal discussion with another member. Think about that statement while considering the topics that have been posted on this board. You guys embrace an obvious double standard. If you like the topic it’s appropriate, if you don’t like it, well then it’s out of line. This fact is what really gets under my skin.
Bottom line, I really don’t care what you guys talk about. I’ll just ignore threads that don’t interest me. So why do you care what I talk about, especially if it is music related? And even if Moody and I were to go on and on for ten pages on some topic that doesn’t interest you, why do you find that so offensive? Did using a few extra bytes on some server harm you in some way? Don’t you realize that others skip over a lot of your own off topic posts? (much of it is offensive in it’s own way). What’s the big deal here?
But I realize I am in the minority. I thought this was a pretty open Internet community, but it really isn’t. There are the favored topics and members here that can basically get away with pretty much anything they want, while others are not extended the same courtesy, I find this objectionable especially on a public internet forum. |
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