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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by G8r:
At my age, I don't have the luxury of waiting 30 years... BINGO! |
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Location: SoCal | I've got it going on my Legend right (or is that "rite") now. I think the theory is sound. What's surprising is that when you get it on the strings, the pads on it don't reach to the top, and it seems to ride on the saddle, not the bridge.... |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I think the theory is sound. Thank you Captain Obvious.
What's surprising is that when you get it on the strings, the pads on it don't reach to the top, and it seems to ride on the saddle, not the bridge.... According to the website:
The guitar model has been designed to fit safely and securely between the strings of a guitar and resting against the bridge. Unless you get it snug up against the bridge, I don't think you're gonna get the vibration you're supposed to, and hence it won't open up the way it's supposed to. Maybe you've got it positioned wrong?
I'd be curious to know if you are getting any howling harmonics from your Legend with the device running. I know that all of my hand laid fiberglass bowls, especially the shiny bowls, really react to minor disturbances in the room, like a sneeze, clapping, etc. And they really howl when the congas (or loud music) are being played ... quite unlike any other guitar hanging up in the room. If the tonerite is vibrating the strings ... well, maybe it's just a frequency thing. |
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Location: SoCal | It's interesting because the top and bowl are just vibrating softly. Stephen, Gator, is this what you experienced? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | yes for me. The vibration was almost inaudible on almost every guitar I put it on. I could play around with the position and make it hum louder but it seemed that the quieter the unit the more the top tended to vibrate. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by stephent28:
I could play around with the position and make it hum louder but it seemed that the quieter the unit the more the top tended to vibrate. Assuming the frequency remains the same (which it should), the less you hear, the more energy is 'absorbed' by the guitar. |
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Location: closely held secret | Voodoo. |
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Location: SoCal | Maybe..... |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm not real smart about these things, but ... if a guitar makes its sounds by the top vibrating ... and the voodoo machine is vibrating the top (in amounts sufficient to age the guitar years in three short days) ... wouldn't it follow that the guitar should be making some sort of tonal sounds? And if not, how can it be opening up the top to mazimize guitar like sounds? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by stephent28:
yes for me. The vibration was almost inaudible on almost every guitar I put it on. I could play around with the position and make it hum louder but it seemed that the quieter the unit the more the top tended to vibrate. I'm guessing some engineer could explain this better, but the hum is likely a harmonic or other vibration being cause by different placements..
The reason it's likely quietest when the top moves the most is that it's in perfect synch with the unit at that point.
For all those thinking about this... the whole "top opening up" was explained to me very simply once. Think of the joint where the top connects to the sides as the fold when you fold a piece of cardboard. When you first fold it, it's hard to move, but you keep bending it back'n forth, the easier it moves. Of course with cardboard, and the amount you are moving it, it will eventually break at that fold.
The guitar top is glued at that joint. Enough to hold the top, at the same time enough to flex.
Now granted to WHOLE top flexes... but you get the idea. The overall more it flexes, the easier it flexes.. More than tone, VOLUME you be the result. Anyone who has heard Cliff's Slothead, compared to most other Slothead's of the day can attest... his is a freak'n cannon. It's been his gig guitar.. He plays it, all the time... it's LOUD... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Miles,
That is an interesting observation and one that has been expressed many times over in the Collings forum. I tend to forget it since the tonal variations surprised me the most but almost everyone mentioned that the VOLUME of their respective guitars also increased during the process. |
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Location: SoCal | This is interesting.
One other observation is that a while back, somebody posted a video of a guitar manufacturer (Bill Collings?) talking to a group and he commented on how much of the early vibration affects the tone of a guitar and that different players playing their guitars in different ways will affect the tone (ie, somebody like me who plays cowboy chords will only open up certain areas of the guitar top, while somebody else who's up and down the neck, will open up other areas). Wish I could find that video again (too lazy to look) as it was interesting...... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I think that was Godin, Paul. |
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Location: SoCal | Maybe that was it Mark. I'll take a look on youtube later. Thanks. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Kind of off topic here, but does a large pickguard reduce the vibration of a guitar top to any degree? How about those weird acoustic guitars that have a pickguard above and below the soundhole? |
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Location: PDX | What if you like the way your guitar sounds? Might this device make it sound worse -- or different, so that the tone no longer pleases your ear?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | It will definitely change the sound.....and for the most part everyone agrees it is for the positive.
If you are happy with the sound and feel a change might be for the worse (to you ears) then why chance it.
Just be happy and play on... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think I'm going to try one on my OFC II.
The guitar sounds great, but it sounds like it needs to be broken in.. cold maybe..?? whatever it is... I think it could do better.. and I don't play it enough. I just want it to sound open when I do play it... and that will take years as often as I play.
Quick Update....
I did a quick search to see what was out there.. and the reviews are pretty consistent.
- People that use it (and there are LOTS), like it. (Haven't found someone who didn't say it did as it claims).
- The only naysayers or those who just question it, treat it as voodoo etc.., haven't used one.
I think I'll try to find one. |
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Location: closely held secret | Paul... is he talking about us? |
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Location: SoCal | Nah, I'm using one right now that's a loaner. He's talking about Toby and Bobbo..... |
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Location: closely held secret | Whew.
So, how big are these things? |
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Location: SoCal | http://tonerite.com/guitar/vmchk |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Nah, I'm using one right now that's a loaner. He's talking about Toby and Bobbo..... Whoa, there, big fella ... just where did I say say nay? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | If you guys are referring to my "- The only naysayers or those who just question it, treat it as voodoo etc.., haven't used one." I was referring to the 100's of posts and reviews on the web. I've yet to run across someone who used it, and didn't think it at least did what it claimed.
There are many from people who "surmise" and "assume" what it will and won't do.. but they don't have one or haven't used one.... so their opinion doesn't count... I just gloss over those. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | OK, so I'm the loan nay-sayer. Not saying it couldn't work, just having a hard time getting past the "if it's too good to be true ..." part of it.
Hey they make "pre-washed" jeans that are already broken in. They make "glove soft" leather for your car seats. Hell they even make a pill that'll give you a woody. Guess anything is possible, |
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