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Location: Upper Left USA | So... I started by pouring myself a well aged bottle of WHINE.
Suddenly I have the urge grab a bag of popcorn and sit back.
Like Dave says, I'll move on.
So will FMIC and all the sub Divisions.
I am a snob. A frugal snob, but still a snob.
My next guitars will likely be homemade and have a lot of issues 
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Location: Flahdaw | I'm thinking about buying a low-end Taylor guitar. Does anyone here have any opinions on those? |
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Location: SoCal | darkbarguitar - 2012-06-28 10:22 AM
I'm thinking about buying a low-end Taylor guitar. Does anyone here have any opinions on those?
They burn well.
And no, that's not being a snob. It's based on experience. I've played low end Seagulls, Yamahas, Martins &
Epiphones that I'd buy before a Taylor. Often less expensive and better sounding.
You know, it's interesting that Japanese vs. American cars were mentioned. I have always bought Japanese cars. But the transmission on my current Mazda went out 2 weeks after the car was out of warranty and Mazda couldn't even be bothered to help out. $4000 later and they are out a customer for a new car. I'll drive this one into the ground (it's payed for), and never buy a Mazda again.
But oddly, American cars are looking better and better to me. Coincidence? I don't know. I do know that with so many older American made Ovations out there on the used market, I would easily buy one before buying a new Japanese/Korean/whatever made Ovation. Better features and less cost.
Don't ask for an opinion unless you really want one......
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Location: closely held secret | immoody - 2012-06-28 10:31 AMDon't ask for an opinion unless you really want one......
My point in a nutshell. |
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Location: Texas | " I do know that with so many older American made Ovations out there on the used market, I would easily buy one before buying a new Japanese/Korean/whatever made Ovation. Better features and less cost." Yep...not sure about features, cost vs sound...it's a no brainer. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I am glad for this thread. For years I have been saddened by the change in Ovation but I didn't wanna hurt anyone's feeling by stating it. I also didn't want to tread into Politics or Religion.
(Offshore manufacture being Political, and Ovation Fanaticism bordering on Religion)
@Mike (AdamasW597)... Way back in 2006-2007 I may have made a comment about USO-snobbery too... But that ain't it. Back then I owned many Celebrity's and my first O was a Korean-made 4861 Balladeer.
People were telling me that for the $400 that I paid for the 4861 or the $425 that I paid for a new-"USED" CC44 I could buy a really nice used USO... And they were correct.
A USA-made Ovation was something to strive for.
And it was still priced within reach of the humble Dishwasher/Laborer.
Now the price of an TX/AX is around what the price of a T or Balladeer was...
And they are made in frikkin' Asia.
I own (and have owned) guitars that were made in China and Korea, and Killer guitars made in Indonesia...
But I will buy a used USO before I would buy a New Korean Ovation...
I might buy a Celebrity before I would buy a Korean Ovation... I Know the quality of a Celebrity.
If I am gonna buy a dove-tailed neck "Ovation"... I will buy a dove-tailed neck Celebrity.
I like OP20's and OP30's anyway.
(Once I can buy a good TX for $250 I might try one, but I have USA Ovations that I bought for that much)
I wanted an Ovation because of fond memories of a shiny-bowl Balladeer that I had experienced in a pot/frisbee/mumbly-peg circle back in the 70's. To recapture my youth.
Korean Ovations are just Asian copies of Real Ovations! (there, I said it!)
--edit for spelling--
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Location: Flahdaw | I was just kidding about the Taylor.
I DID just sell a decent used Seagull Artist. Now I'll be looking for a used, "beater" kind of guitar with an original retail of $1400 to $1600.
Might be an Ovation, might not.
Might be USA made, might not.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Hehe. Somebody called me a snob?! Ovation snob is a bit of an oxymoron. "Plastic guitar", "why don't you buy a real wood guitar?", "if you have the money, why didn't you buy a Martin or a Taylor?", "they slip off your knee". There's plenty of other comments showing disrespect for Ovation owners. I bought my first Ovation that was made in the US, not because it was made in the US, but because it, a Matrix, didn't have the Applause headstock that I didn't like. I could have saved a few bucks that I didn't have. Next was an Applause 12 string. Suited my needs, but sold it when I got a good deal on a 12 string Balladeer.
I found this forum when I was looking at a Celebrity and learned about all the different models and what people on this site preferred. If I had bought it, I know I wouldn't have it because I don't really care for the shallow bowls. It took a few to learn that, based on my opinion, not someone else's.
Unfortunately, no one pays to hear me play. Few will even listen for free. I have more guitars than I have time to play on a regular basis, but all of them have been played. Some of them were bought recently because I would like to have one of the last guitars Ovation made in the US. I've always liked Ovations because they were different and if everyone liked them, they might lose some appeal for me. I suppose there is a degree of snobbery in that, to the extent that I don't want to be like everyone else and don't really care what everyone else thinks. Being part of a small group is fine with me. I just wish I would have gone on one of the factory tours and participated in the jam sessions instead of assuming they would still be around when I had the time. That's the reason for my mourning. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | OMA - Did that feel good or what!
Let me fan the flames a little and off my services to receive and ship on this one:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/msg/3104555816.html
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Location: Suisun City, Ca | Snobbery for less than $400...30+ yr old legend and she plays as nice as she looks...maybe nicer! From one of the OFC elites... 
Actually, I just like showing off these photos... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I guess I just don't get it. Ovation had gone through many evolutions and frankly the future can not be predicted. When AMF bought Harley Davidson it was the end..... then it wasn't. When Moto Guzzi started in 1923 it was the end.... they are STILL going out of business. But unlike either of those to my knowledge, you can buy ANY USA MADE OVATION EVER MADE IN THE CATALOG. I guess I'm selfish. If I had disposable income I would make the best of the Custom Order program. I get all the models, exact to spec, that I wanted.
I can't predict the future, but I think for those that have the money, a USA made Ovation, being that you can get ANY model you want, is quite exciting. For everyone else, there are used guitars and foreign made new ones AND used ones. Rock On. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The opinions, prerogatives, and preferences of others are highly overrated. The older I get, the less difficulty I have in politely ignoring what others tell me I should or shouldn’t do. |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | There is no one here that answered my original question. Most had never played a Korean AX and wanted to know what it sounded like. Before they even played one they prejudged it to be inferior Have they played mine? No. Everyone I asked an opinion on my original post answered, not knowing how they sounded. Well I do. That's the reason I got mad. I still think some on here are snobs. Jump on Nikon like that. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. There are way too many on here who own guitars that ARE American made that don't sound as good as my 33 year-old Martin. If you haven't played a Custom Legend 2079 AX CCB then keep your opinions silent. I LOVE Ovation guitars. I own 4. But I'm kinda tired of feeling like an a-hole for buying a Korean guitar. It's all I could get and afford. I've been through this before with these guys. I haven't made these guitars like some on here have. My guitar is a great guitar and I'll stand by that. That being said. Try to quit bashing something you haven't played. SK is the one who called me names. Nikon said the same thing. "No... you are not an a** for buying and enjoying a off shore guitar. That's fine.
There are many, many other reasons." The man has never met me in his life and he lays that on me. Damn right I'm gonna get mad. Did I say Slipkid you're a snob? Nope. He just assumed it.
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Location: SoCal | Nobody answered your question WITH THE INFORMATION FOR WHICH YOU WERE LOOKING (never end a sentence with a preposition). What we answered with was what we knew, that construction was better on USA built guitars (ie, the neck attachment). That's all.
I'm glad you like the sound of your guitar. That's a good thing. But everybody here who responded said "Nope, can't tell you about the sound because we haven't played one". You seem to be pissed about that. Don't be. Now you can let everybody who comes after you know that you really like it. We'll continue to say that all we know about is the construction of the old and the new, and hope that whoever asks doesn't get pissed at us like you have (yeah, like we care).
By the way, my 1914 Martin OO18 would make your 33 year old Martin sound like ****. There, now I've had my shot at sounding immature...... |
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Location: SoCal | Sonovabitch! Got sensored saying sh!t. Guess that means you can't say **** here even if you had a mouthful.... |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | @Waskel I did read my own thread. No one on there had played one. They don't know how they sound. They speculate. I was wished well and told good luck. There were a couple that told me to buy something else. There aren't any American made Customs out there. If there are they want 3 times what they're worth. Cracked tops and all. I'll say it again. I love Ovation guitars. I could have bought a Taylor for the same price but I bought an Ovation. So Slipkid calls me names when he doesn't even have an idea who I am. There are many many other reasons. That's real nice. I said there a were a bunch of snobs. That was out of anger. There a few. I apologize. But I think calling me an a**hole was way out of line. That's when I said all the stuff I said. So pardon me if I offended anyone. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Ouch! It hurts!!!!
Funny, I was trying to respond to Damon's thread on his new guitar, but this response turned out WAY appropriate over here. Hehehe
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | Moody I'm po'd because I was called an a-hole. I read almost every post on here. I truly am an Ovation fan. I don't live in an area of the country where there are any Ovations. eBay is a crapshoot. I won't buy off Craigslist. So when my local dealer told me he could get me a CL2079 for the price he got. I snapped it up. I'm on Social Security. I'm only allowed to make so much money a month playing. I live at poverty level. In 1973 a truck hit me head-on and broke my neck, both arms and both legs. I didn't walk for 4 years. Suffice it to say my self- confidence is nil. I called these guys snobs because I was a little angry. I saved for this guitar for 6 months.
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Location: Texas | "But I'm kinda tired of feeling like an a-hole for buying a Korean guitar." I think you came to the wrong place for pity. I am not sure anyone is even going to throw a box of Kleenexs at you. You're the reason for your pity party. My dad told me not to start something I couldnt finish. Take off the skirt. Other than Ovations, I am sure most of us share the commonality of being an @$$hole, in one way or another. BFD.
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | I'm more of a man and twice as tough as you you potty mouthed little twit. I don't have to worry about talking to you or Slipkid again. I know what kind of people you are. |
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Location: Flahdaw | "You snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings"- Monty Python |
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Location: Ohio | My point was tht not everyone has the fuds available to buy the guitar of their dreams. I have a Celeb dlx, RRBY that I play out with and I get paid. I've been complimented on teh look and sound of the guitar. DO I want something better? YES, but there are a lot of other things that come first. Like the 100K of medical bill I incurred 2 years ago. House paymen, but not right now.ts, car payments, food. You know the IMPORTANT stuff. Maybe someday |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | I think the thing that bothers me is the attitude that a person from another country can't make a guitar as good as we can. That is baloney. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Wait... wait.... If I can't know who you are, how can you possibly know just exactly who I am?
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I can appreciate your medical and financial situation and I do wish you well in that regard.
However.... If you won't let me play the "I've been fortunate in life and I'm grateful for it" card it does not seem fair that you can play the "unfortunate" card at will.
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I'm glad you are pleased with the purchase of your new guitar. For some reason you feel the need to not only strongly defend your choice but to make sure we all know how misguided and uninformed we all are in our own opinion.
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And I did not call or refer to you as an "a-hole"... I said "arse".... which is more than just a minor difference when used is such context.
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Location: Upper Left USA | I don't contend that the Pacific Rim Manufacturer's CAN'T make a better guitar. They'll build exactly what you ask them to. I am pissed that FMIC lowered the bar and did not use the ANS Neck technology and tooling that already exists. Nor did they move toward a disolvable glue so that the Necks could be reset. Epoxied Neck Guitars are made to be disposable... That's a frikkin Marketeering move... and I'm saying they are the Arses because that attitude violates every "American", "Yankee" and "Craftsmanship" nerve I have. Both of them...
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