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Location: NJ | Horse: The infamous Chevy car was the VEGA (also known 'round these parts as the "Vegematic"). It was a REAL piece of shite!!! Aluminum engines with heads that warped like a Taylor in a rainforest!
Miles, what is the MOB going for?
Spring is almost here (FINALLY!!) and m'Lady and I are talking about vacations to Long Beach Island in June AND in September . . . . a cool beach guitar'd come in handy! (Not to mention ParrotHead gigs!)
Again, I'm in agreement with Master Templeman in that while the Celebrities are GREAT guitars for their price point, and can deservedly piss on the competition (of like price), the USA's are vastly more solid and reliable.
That being said, I have to say that I have no qualms with the guitars themselves. I'm just irked that the vast guitar-buying public is unknowingly led to believe that these guitars are ALL that Ovation is about. Last week, I was FINALLY able to locate an Elite-T amidst the "display tree" rack of Celebrities in the store. Played 'em ALL. The Celebs were NICE.
But, . . . would I/could I depend on one of these to stand up to the four+ hours of relentless abuse 1 to 3 times a week that I would require it to? I think not.
Ovations were designed/developed to be a sturdy, well-built, GREAT-sounding instrument for the working musician. That was their original "Mission Statement" (for lack of a better term) and that was their original "target demographics". A cost-effective, good-sounding instrument for the casual player is FINE and is a GREAT revenue source for the company. But over the course of time, the line has been TERRIBLY blurred and without picking the instrument up, it's hard to tell one from the other, and with them all under the same blanket, the unwitting consumer thinks they're all the same.
As Miles (I believe it was) once alluded to, it should say "Celebrity" on the headstock, and "Celebrity (by Ovation)" on the label inside (and on the hangtag). |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Let's keep perspective here. If we hate the MOB and Tegement it's because we're old farts. (We might be right and the kids hate it too but that's another issue)
If we hate the Celebrities and all The Ko-Reean stuff it's because we want to be snobs. They are very good Volkswagons, it's just that we like the glamour of the Mercedes S Class
That said I still think the Tegament is a steaming pile of doggie spoo in the middle of your new carpet. Yes, that makes me a snobbish old phart. OK, I accept that.
As MJM said, and in reference to my second point earlier, What is KMC doing to address the Old Fart Snobs who have the money and the desire to spend it on that "ultimate" guitar they always wanted? Why are they letting Martin, Collings, Taylor, Santa Cruz, Huss & Dalton, and all these other stove knitters eat their lunch and stomp their lunch box? |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Amen CWK2,AMEN!....Paul Hebert |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Well done CWKalso.
I even thought of another twist. By time the "Q" hits the street, the uninformed will think Ovation copied a Rainsong (or other Graphite or Composite) and just gave it a round back. Without it at least being in the Catalog, the fact that it's been in development for x-years will be a lost point IMHO. |
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Location: Alabama | Has anyone here Played the MOB? (I saw it called Mother of Blue on ebay) I'm just curious about the sound, I've neither seen one firsthand or played one. My first impression of the appearance was "toylike" but if it produces a sound comparable to the Elite T it may start looking better. I'm sure some more colors are comming, a yellow sunburst or sunset burst or maybe Tequila Sunrise would look good. I have long thought color offerings were a place Ovation could improve a lot. The Celebrity line has better colors than the Elites and Legends. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Yes I have played an MOB. In a word...CRAP! I know I have been bashing this guitar, but it truly is horrible and a disgrace to the Ovation name...Paul Hebert |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | But 1687adamasguy Paul,
How do you really feel about it? |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | CWK2, shouldnt it be obvious by now? (LOL)...Paul Hebert |
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Location: australia | alpep;
i did understand your point, they majority are better today but i've got a few mates whom brought cheap asian copies and one snapped a trust rod, another had a twisted neck and another had the tremelo fall out, all had bad fret finishing, i suspect the neck problems were due to poor production or cold-compartments in the airplanes, you see this another problem, when guitars are sent via airplane, if they're not properly prepeared for travel, they get damaged, if trust rods and strings are not released the cold contracts the neck, creating major problems, this is another major issue with imports.
ahorsewithno clue;
if your old enough to have kids that drive cars, it sounds like youre the old timer. |
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Location: NJ | hologram
what you describe is not particular to asian built guitars.
Paul
we can all post "fill in the name of the guitar you wish to bash here" is a piece of crap all day long. It serves no purpose. Careful critique and criticism does.
The MOB is not for you. fine. so now we can probe further.
why is it a piece of crap?
design?
sound?
construction?
it is a piece of crap compared to what?
your adamas?
the usa line?
the celebrity line?
the applause line?
Now if you would posted your opinion in a manner that was more constructive it would hold more weight and value. Posting it is a piece of crap is not constructive and looks like spam.
Would I buy a MOB? proabably not, it is not the guitar for me, but I can appreciate the market it is trying to target and my favorite part about it is that it WILL NEVER BE MISTAKEN FOR A USA OVATION INSTRUMENT. The headstock design and the word tangent on the headstock distinguishes this from the usa counterparts.
I do not agree with everything the company does nor do I expect them to meet all my needs but I feel that making suggestions that make sense and are well thought out only leads to our credibility here as a website.
I have played the MOB and it plays and sounds as good as any of the other guitars in the celebrity line. To some of us that is not saying much but in the big scheme of things it is not bad.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Have you tried the elite t? I think that guitar blows away the celebrity line and it is a bargain. Sure it is not the fancy high end Adamas we lost for but it is a response to essentially the fan clubs suggestion of making an affordable entry level usa made guitar. That is one victory. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, I have played an Elite T. It sounded great. No, I am not comparing the MOB to an Adamas. I am just saying that it is ugly as sin, and sounds like crap. Now that was easy....Paul Hebert |
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Location: Tennessee | Heya Miles ... congrats on ordering the MOB. I'm ready to do the same, but I haven't been able to find one anywhere nearby to play. Did you order the S/S or the Mid bowl? Is there a significant difference in sound? I'm personally partial to mids and deeps ... sold the only S/S I ever bought.
ahorsewithnoname -- I'm liking the idea of a palm tree scene. Something like the artwork on Martin's Hawaiian X? |
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | hologram, thanks for the personal attack. Sorry you are so discriminatory when you have no idea or clue as to Asian production quality. I've been there many a time and their workers take more pride in their work than what I have seen here. You got class little boy! |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Come on guys, lets attack these crappy guitars and not each other. |
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | I agree Paul, I'm going to reserve my judgement on the MOB until I get the chance to play one. I do like that color though. |
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Location: Columbus, Ohio | Just be glad it's not Australian. |
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No not easy an oversimplification that is meaning less. It is still a blanket statement that says nothing.
sounds like crap compared to?
USA ovations ?
other korean Celebrity guitars?
Applause guitars?
some other brand?
why did it sound like crap?
no low end?
no high end?
no projection?
did it sound muted?
Paul
I am not trying to pick on you or discredit you in any way. My problem is that you repeatedly make blanket statements and do not back them up. Personally I don't care what your opinion is, it can be negative, my only problem is that IMHO you lack credibility by making statemets like this.
Your other target is the shallow bowl guitar which you repeatedly bash, but I can let you play a shallow bowl guitar that will knock you out. My point is that if they try they can make shallow bowl guitars sound good acoustically. Sure will it be a deep bowl? No never but this guitar does not need to sound bad acoustically.
I love tube amps. I own way too many of them, most of them are fenders. My first amplifier was a black faced princeton reverb that my dad bought for me in 64 or65. The sound that I reference in my ears coming out of an amplifier is this sound. There are a whole generation of guitarists that grew up with their first amp being a solid state peavey or crate. To their ears that is their point of reference. This is the tone the wish to duplicate when they buy an amp. Guess what ? it is OK. but it is not the sound I seek.
What I am saying is that it is great to have a contrary opinion and I support your right to have that, but to lend credibility to what you say you need to compare it to something tangable.
But maybe you don't want credibility and my words are wasted here. If so accept my apology. |
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Location: australia | be glad it's not australian !
you odviously have never heard of MATON guitars, they are world famous and played by the biggest names, they are painstakingly sought-out; by the biggest international acoustic players and strangely, are also owned by tommy emenuel, eddie van haylen, brian may, mark nofler, etc.
it is true we don't have a world famous solid body
producer down-under but our MATONS are world famous (although you've obviously never heard of them) and you, yourself can buy a real nice one if you want to part with $15,000 but there's a 8 month wait, due to back orders.
australia has the highest population to player ratio in the world, there's a player on every corner, so i found your country-assasination un-nessesairy.
we are surrounded by beaches down here, so i guess i should buy a mob after all, nothing else to do but surf and play. "thank god for australia, the home of the free and the lazy" |
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Location: NJ | you missed throwing shrimp on the barby and drinking Foster's lager....LOL just teasing!!! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Actually Austrailia would be a great place to make them. I would have much rather been going over there than KoReeah, although the garlic and kimchi are wonderful. I can live without the raw fish thank-you. |
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Location: tennessee | I have to throw my two cents in with ahorsewithnoname--I love my Celebrity.
BTW, all Asian made guitars are not necessarily equal. I've had three Yamahas. My first decent guitar was made in Taiwan. The others were Korean made. The Applause I owned was made in China and though it was a very nice guitar (for the money) it could compete with neither my $400 Celebrity nor my cheaper Yamahas. Korean quality was one factor in my decision to buy the Celebrity.
Another BTW--my super-shallow bowl has "OVATION USA" printed on the inside, so there's some American craftsmanship in the product.
I've got a kid to send to college in a few years (guess that makes me an old fogey, too) and I can't justify big bucks for my own toys. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, if you don't care what my opinion is, why do you care about my credibility? If you want to defend a guitar that is a joke go ahead. But I will always point out what I find silly. And this MOB is one silly product that appears to be a desperate attempt to bring young people to Ovation. Funny though, when I was a kid the Ovation that grabbed me was the Balladeer. Hey there is a concept. Someone wanting to learn to play getting a good sounding Ovation and not some funny looking joke....Paul Hebert |
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Location: SoCal | Paul:
Dont' get pissed at this, but Al is right. If you make a general statement condeming something, then you are no better than the guitar store salesperson who says that all Ovations are crap.
I'm interested in what you have to say, but back it up with some argument as to why you feel the way you do.
The MOB isn't directed at me and I doubt if I'll ever own one. But at the NAMM show, I heard Matt Smith getting great sounds out of one. And if they bring people to the Ovation name who have never been here before, then all the more power to it.
In the immortal words of that great philospher, J.T. Kirk, "Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerent". |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Stonbobbo,
Call Al, and have him order you one. |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Hey Paul
I beleive deeeep down that you really like and want a MOB!! - It's O.K. - Your Adamas won't get mad.......Mike :cool: |
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