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Location: Northwest Arkansas | I apologized. I was under the assumption that there were other reasons I was an a**. Remember. I didn't call you anything. |
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Location: Ohio | Honestly AdamasW597 I don't know why you take offence everytime someone laments over Ovation moving offshore. I have never seen these"snobs"on here that you are reffering to. You said the same thing in a thread I posted a few months back. Who cares what anyone says or thinks about offshore guitars. You love them, that all that should matter to you. It's not like someone is talking about one of your children. Nobody can make you "feel like and a**hole" for buying your guitar. If you choose to "feel like an a**hole" for buying your guitar thats on you. |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | I don't feel like one. I was called one. I took offense with that. I apologized for the other. As far as feeling bad about my guitar. I've got a great guitar and that's all I need. I don't take offense everytime either. Trust me. I just don't want someone calling me names. OK. Besides this has nothing to do with you. I like this page. Leave it at that. |
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Location: Ohio | You're right this has nothing to do with me. To be honest I regret responding contributing to the derailing/hijacking of this thread. That was a mistake. Best regards, AdamasW597
Back on topic. I had a pretty lengthy conversation with the Kaman sales rep at Sweetwater during Gearfest. He said he's had been with Kaman for about 20 years. He told me that when Fender came in, the USO's didn't have a chance. He said that Ovation was loosing several hundred dollars on every OSU they sold. He said that Ovation had done it like that, and made up the loss on the imports, for years in order to keep the factory running and keep the people working. He said he thought it was "good PR" He said that once fender looked at the books it was all over but the crying.
For what it's worth, that's what he told me.
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Location: Orlando, FL | Woody, I understand how you feel completely! The change is sad. But it was a hell of a ride for us Ovation Lovers! And there are obviously a lot of great unappreciated USA ovation out there, just waiting for us! I can't believe that 1537 for $500 on craigslist! What a deal!
Put me down as a snob, I'd rather have a USA made Ovation than an AX or TX any day. As for anyone else play what YOU like and don't give a sh!t what anyone else says!
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Okay... Now I am crying!
Whadda Deal. I am checking under my seat cushions...
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | aaronharmon - 2012-06-28 7:23 PM
Back on topic. I had a pretty lengthy conversation with the Kaman sales rep at Sweetwater during Gearfest. He said he's had been with Kaman for about 20 years. He told me that when Fender came in, the USO's didn't have a chance. He said that Ovation was loosing several hundred dollars on every OSU they sold. He said that Ovation had done it like that, and made up the loss on the imports, for years in order to keep the factory running and keep the people working. He said he thought it was "good PR" He said that once fender looked at the books it was all over but the crying.
For what it's worth, that's what he told me.
Aaron
That's what I heard a long time ago from several reliable sources. Any of those that made the visit to the factory and had basic math skills realized there was no way they could actually build a guitars the way they did and make any profit on it. Just count up the people that touch each guitar during the build process for about an hour and multiply it by even a crappy hourly wage and you've come pretty close to well over (depending on model) what the wholesale on the guitars are. That doesn't count costs the run the factory, benefits, materials... just the basic number of people x 1 hour each x $ some hourly wage = more than most of us ever paid for a guitar. Ok, not everyone spends an hour on every guitar, but others make up for it like the finish guys who paint... wait.. paint... wait... paint.. wait... etc.. so it all works out.
Fender is NOT out to kill the brand. If it got to the point where the custom shop couldn't keep up with the orders..... we'd see Ovation production lines restarted in a heartbeat.
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And that's why we have "Polane", aka, splatter textured paint.
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | amosmoses - 2012-06-28 10:23 AM
Bob...Agreed. It has been a long dry spell since DaveKel left.
I'm at a loss as to what I have to do with this man's thread? FWIW, I check in on this forum a couple times almost every day. The friends I've made here have taken to emailing me when they want to talk. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Dave, lighten up. I think Jay was just poking you with a stick, just like I poke Moody and Weaser every chance I get. I told my daughter ever since she was young, "no one can get to you if you just laugh with them...it drives them crazy that they can't piss you off."
You were great for the OFC for a while there, with your crazy stories of partying naked in the van with Gregg Allman and all. Fun times... |
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | darkbarguitar - 2012-06-29 10:33 AM
Dave, lighten up. I think Jay was just poking you with a stick, just like I poke Moody and Weaser every chance I get. I told my daughter ever since she was young, "no one can get to you if you just laugh with them...it drives them crazy that they can't piss you off."
You were great for the OFC for a while there, with your crazy stories of partying naked in the van with Gregg Allman and all. Fun times...
Whoah... when did I say "partying naked" with Greg Allman? It was just a ride in his bus a five hour drive to next town in Texas where he was playing. In that short time, I witnessed a guy with an inhuman capability to ingest quantities of drugs that would have OD'd five normal men! And BTW... I have lightened up and seen the errors of my early arrogant ways on here. I've lightened up so much Dark Bar began sending me friendly messages... the acceptance don't get more final than that. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Brad Durasa - 2012-06-29 11:55 AM
Who the heck is "DarkBar"???
Some idiot that used to post here. I think he was really a woman that used to go by the name "HeatherDD" |
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All Y'all really do enjoy this kind of stuff!
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Dave: Well Stated!
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Location: Colorado | Just lurking too...
I still like all kinds of guitars. Customs, assembly lines, etc. I'm just one who owns very few at a time and plays those. I like homegrown and offshore...many are great...many are not. Funny.. in the hands of the best players they all sound pretty good. Prof, I too have long had the ability to make decisions - I'm with y'a man. But the board transcends those instruments into friendships - a real gift that cannot be taken away. Heavens - what you've seen played on TV - over the last 50 years is amazingly varied...since the 70s I could never predict what acoustic McCartney would show up with in concert...he played his share of roundbacks - and he can play anything he wants. As Miles implied, I hope they come around again..fact is those of us who have been around a while just love guitars...original slotheads, FD-14s, 1537s, the Taks, the Martins, the Collings, and many of us were even amazed that an Academy should not sound as good as it does. Even Brad Davis oohed an ahed when Beal showed up with that Dreadnaught.
I'm not sure but most of us who've gotten to the events probably do not exactly remember what Mishka, Slipdkid, Prof or Bobbo were playing as they sang their songs - but we had great times...and the common core was Charlie's inventions, coupled with his son's benevolence, Al's persistence, Dave's willingness to own them all no matter how cutting edge - and tell us about them, Cliff's pipes (vocal) and Temp's cutting yet accurate techniques and assessments. The are so many more...maybe we need an event to pull some of us together again....prof, stephen...maybe we can have an event here in the Rockies.....and maybe we'll get hear Adamii mixed with Ukes - and it'll sound ike music again. |
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Location: Texas | Nice to see a couple of long-time members who have been quiet for a while jumping in on this thread. (Greetings Brad and Elginacres.)
Anyone who has ever had a beloved old guitar that became unplayable because there was no practical way of doing a neck reset should understand MWoody's original "grieving." (Think: "Bowl Bend")
Conversely, many of us have guitars we bought more than 30 years ago that we still love and play today, and some of those guitars have required a neck reset (or two) along the way. Eventually, guitars need a neck reset, it's a relatively-common "repair." If you can't reset the neck, (and you don't play slide), then you would basically have an unplayable guitar. I think that is why some folks refer to the AX/TX O's as "disposable." That doesn't mean they aren't good guitars, but I think it's a valid concern if you hope to get many years of service out of your guitar…
…but on the other hand, if they changed the necks, we'd probably find some other reason to complain about them… 
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Triggered by another post - grieving
