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Location: Miami | Standingovation - 2012-10-29 9:21 PM
Tim, Since you are in Florida you may want to look this guy up. Yes, I did use the search function ... amazing the things you can find.
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=29...
Why would I want to look this guy up? That's a genuine question, not a retort.
To be quite honest, I'm really beginning to think that this forum is not the best place to talk with others about Ovation guitars! |
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| ...To be quite honest, I'm really beginning to think that this forum is not the best place to talk with others about Ovation guitars!
I got a 2012 D-18 about 3 months ago and I can't believe how much I like it - we can talk about that if you want...lol
But to go back to your original question, the only Ovations I see in guitar shops are the really low end ones and I really just wouldn't be bothered buying one. IMO the older 70s / 80s models that can be bought in good condition for next to nothing are probably the better value.
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Location: Miami | But to go back to your original question, the only Ovations I see in guitar shops are the really low end ones and I really just wouldn't be bothered buying one. IMO the older 70s / 80s models that can be bought in good condition for next to nothing are probably the better value.
I know what you mean. In my GC they have some very uninviting models. However, it's some of the now far-eastern versions of what was once produced in the US that have caught my eye. The Elites and Legends definitely look like their old US counterparts. I'd also guess that there has been serious training of far eastern staff where necessary.
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | This is a good place to talk about guitars, Ovation or otherwise. The oft asked question about US vs. Imports elicit ire because a LOT of players, and owners, on here are 100% American guitar people. If that means buying used, so be it. I will not judge them. I like their banter. Which usually goes off-topic rather quickly. I've been on this forum a while now and if you ask a question the same, 15 or so, people will answer. They are the OFC die-hards. They know virtually everything about every guitar(no joke). If you want to know something, ask. Some will give you a tough time of it, but eventually they will answer your question. To paraphrase, "Ask a stupid question... |
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Location: Vancouver, WA | I recently bought a 6868AX which was made in Korea. I am quite happy with it. Would I look into getting a used US made Ovation somewhere down the road? I might. But for now, my guitar sounds better than any other new guitar in it's price range to me. I was able to afford the 6868AX, the SS body works well for my body shape, and it is an Ovation! That is a win-win for me.
May you find the guitar that makes you happy. If it is your dream guitar...great! If it is your "dream for now" guitar...that is great too.
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Location: Miami | mymartind35 - 2012-10-30 8:30 AM
This is a good place to talk about guitars, Ovation or otherwise. The oft asked question about US vs. Imports elicit ire because a LOT of players, and owners, on here are 100% American guitar people. If that means buying used, so be it. I will not judge them. I like their banter. Which usually goes off-topic rather quickly. I've been on this forum a while now and if you ask a question the same, 15 or so, people will answer. They are the OFC die-hards. They know virtually everything about every guitar(no joke). If you want to know something, ask. Some will give you a tough time of it, but eventually they will answer your question. To paraphrase, "Ask a stupid question...
I've no doubt these "OFC diehards" you mention are infinitely lovable and admirable if, as you suggest, we show the right spirit of patience and understanding so that they might truly shine! 
I wonder, though, if an environment which is too nationalistic really is a good place to discuss guitars with any measure of objectivity. If the folks here are still cut up about the demise of Ovation USA, they're hardly likely to be full of praise for Chinese-made instruments, no matter what these may be like. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Blind nationalism?
Really?
It's just your attempt at conversation, right?
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You asked a question about USA vs. offshore.
You got your answers. Some more from the heart, many more based in logic and fact.
Now you question the validity of this group by suggesting that our patiently delivered answers stem from some sort of national bias.
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And... I find the first sentence of your above post to be both disrespectful and condescending.
And putting a winky face after does not change that.
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Location: Miami | Brad Durasa - 2012-10-30 1:59 PM
Blind nationalism?
Really?
It's just your attempt at conversation, right?
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You asked a question about USA vs. offshore.
You got your answers. Some more from the heart, many more based in logic and fact.
Now you question the validity of this group by suggestions that our patiently delivered answers stem from some sort of national bias.
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And... I find the first sentence of your above post to be both disrespectful and condescending.
And putting a winky face after does not erase that.
"Patiently delivered answers"??? Hilarious ... I've had an F-bomb hurled at me, been told to sling my hook and go look it up and stop bothering people, and been given grudging, critical answers by people like you. And "blind" was your word, not mine.
Yes, some people have been extremely gracious and courteous on this thread. Others, however, have behaved rudely or like drama queens.
What a poor impression of this forum and of Ovation some people are giving here! If I had asked this question on AGF or The Gear Page, you know what people there would have said? They'd have said, "Go ask the folks over at OFC - they'll give you some good answers." What they don't know is that there appears to be a group of old diehards who feel they have the right to sneer at and deride questions they consider beneath them and who throw hissy fits if anyone dares object to their contemptuous attitude.
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Location: VA | One only need be reminded of the history of Fender.
When Fender was bought out in the mid 90's by CBS, the Free Marketeers, being interested in quantity rather than quality, did pump out a lot of, in my opinion, rubbish. But Arthur is right, if you know what you're getting and are happy with that, it's fine. But one of those dime a dozen guitars is certainly not going to have the same feel, sound and action as a meticulously paid attention to $3000.00 Strat from CA.
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm guilty.
Feeding a troll is fun until you realize what you're doing. That takes the fun right out of it.
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Patch, Muzza, OMA, and other newer members.... look at this guy.
He joined over 4 years ago. Now, all of a sudden, he's all over hell's half acre pretending to have just arrived with a rookie, button pushing question. . Guys, sometimes you have to put aside that "Manifesto" mentality and call a troll a troll. You active members have to step up when needed and protect your turf! The much maligned "old guard" used to to that job for you. Now you're on your own. Now... have the fortitude to call this creep out and kick him to the curb. . |
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Location: SoCal | Timolin, Verdict... you start...
Compare the new non-USA-made Ovations to the O's and A's (and other brands) you've acquired over the past five years.
Contrast playability, sound, materials, fit & finish, etc.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Timolin - 2012-10-30 11:36 AM
I wonder, though, if an environment which is too nationalistic really is a good place to discuss guitars with any measure of objectivity. If the folks here are still cut up about the demise of Ovation USA, they're hardly likely to be full of praise for Chinese-made instruments, no matter what these may be like.
Do you go over to the Harley Owners Group and expect them to reminisce fondly over the AMF days.
So Yes! People at the OFC are not pleased with the ending of USA production. (duh?)
In my personal experience, I have discussed my BC Rich and Parker guitars here.
People have posted about Fretlight guitars and the educational value of Rocksmith.
There have been many discussions about Collings and other expensive Woodboxes...
As well as workers' rights at the Blueberry guitar plant.
I have proudly displayed assorted Celebrity's that I have bought and have answered newbies questions about Celebrity's... Even though the general consensus is to Buy a USA Ovation.
I mentioned that I bought a Korean TX and play it out on the street with no ill-effects.
As I see it, you are not getting the answers that you want it and it displeases you.
Korean Ovations are Great! I recommend that you buy one today.
They are just as good-for-the-money as any Asian acoustic that you will buy, if not Better.
And it will blow-away a cardboard HPL Martin, so Buy One Now!
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR |  I already called somebody a Troll this month... I got mixed reactions... So you do it, Brad
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Let it go Tim. Take a breath, lick your wounds and let it go. |
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Location: Flahdaw | muzza - 2012-10-30 4:57 PM
Let it go Tim. Take a breath, lick your wounds and let it go.
Actually, I think he's quite happy, knowing he's accomplished exactly what he wanted to all along... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Timolin - 2012-10-30 1:35 PM
If I had asked this question on AGF or The Gear Page, you know what people there would have said?
I've SEEN that question asked on the AGF ... F-bomb would be an understatement !!!
Look Tim, with all due respect, it seems you probably already know the answer to the question you ask. And it's a question charged with high emotion. The responses you got here do not surprise me one bit. They are no diferent than the last person who asked the same question. You've been a member long enough to have seen all this so you know what I mean.
You and I got off on the wrong foot. For that I appologize. Unless of course you really ARE Iffy, Glenn or Char. In that case - shame on you, but I have to hand it to you it was a pretty brilliant play.
My suggestion (who the heck am I to offer advice, but so what ...) maybe hone in on more specific questions about the imports vs USA ovations. Avoids the emotion, yet taps into the knowledge base around here who certainly DO know the answers. Perhaps ...
1. what is the warranty on import vs usa model
2. do they use the same grade of woods
3. do imports and USA models have the same pre-amps and pickups
4. is the hyardware (tuners) the same quality and brand name
5. what is the difference in neck attachment between imports adn usa models
6. do they have the same bracing patterns, brace shapes and weight
7. are the actual bowls the same on import vs usa models
8. what exact model of case comes with each
9. how are the frets finished and leveled on imports vs usa models
10. are the frets glued in or press fit on imports vs usa models
11. how is the intomation set and bridge placement controlled on each
12. are nut materials same on import vs usa models
etc, etc, etc.
Remember - Validation for buying an import and Reason to not buy a USA are not necessarily the same thing.
Good luck.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Brad Durasa - 2012-10-30 1:02 PM Guys, sometimes you have to put aside that "Manifesto" mentality and call a troll a troll. You active members have to step up when needed and protect your turf! While I realize this has nothing to do with this thread... I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY DISAGREE... I'm not saying one way or another, but if you think there IS a Troll, the ONLY response is NO response. PERIOD. THere is no "turf" to protect. A conversation that only involves ONE person, gets old quickly. I should know, I talk to myself all the time, and even I get bored and quit trying to prove my points to myself. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Standingovation - 2012-10-30 2:17 PM
Timolin - 2012-10-30 1:35 PM
If I had asked this question on AGF or The Gear Page, you know what people there would have said?
I've SEEN that question asked on the AGF ... F-bomb would be an understatement !!!
Look Tim, with all due respect, it seems you probably already know the answer to the question you ask. And it's a question charged with high emotion. The responses you got here do not surprise me one bit. They are no diferent than the last person who asked the same question. You've been a member long enough to have seen all this so you know what I mean.
You and I got off on the wrong foot. For that I appologize. Unless of course you really ARE Iffy, Glenn or Char. In that case - shame on you, but I have to hand it to you it was a pretty brilliant play.
My suggestion (who the heck am I to offer advice, but so what ... ) maybe hone in on more specific questions about the imports vs USA ovations. Avoids the emotion, yet taps into the knowledge base around here who certainly DO know the answers. Perhaps ...
1. what is the warranty on import vs usa model
2. do they use the same grade of woods
3. do imports and USA models have the same pre-amps and pickups
4. is the hyardware (tuners ) the same quality and brand name
5. what is the difference in neck attachment between imports adn usa models
6. do they have the same bracing patterns, brace shapes and weight
7. are the actual bowls the same on import vs usa models
8. what exact model of case comes with each
9. how are the frets finished and leveled on imports vs usa models
10. are the frets glued in or press fit on imports vs usa models
11. how is the intomation set and bridge placement controlled on each
12. are nut materials same on import vs usa models
etc, etc, etc.
Remember - Validation for buying an import and Reason to not buy a USA are not necessarily the same thing.
Good luck.
This is actually a more brilliant answer/suggestion than it will likely get credit for. I have never been able to compare Import and USA Ovations. It's like comparing a Bugatti Veyron with a Corvette... There both gonna suck if all you can only afford a $10,000 car, and suck even more if you need a off-road vehicle. If you only have enough $'s to buy the Corvette, then it really doesn't matter what you think of the Bugatti...
Same thing with import vs usa ovations. If you can't afford a USA Ovation, than NONE of the above questions really matter, and it doesn't matter what someone thinks is better, worse or otherwise.
My personal opinion is that Ovation has done a dis-service by making most of the Import models so nice. This would be a simple conversation if they were crap, but in general.. they are a great value. They are certainly better and more bang for buck than EVERYONE else's import line in the same price point.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Standingovation - 2012-10-30 4:17 PM
Timolin - 2012-10-30 1:35 PM
If I had asked this question on AGF or The Gear Page, you know what people there would have said?
I've SEEN that question asked on the AGF ... F-bomb would be an understatement !!!
Look Tim, with all due respect, it seems you probably already know the answer to the question you ask. And it's a question charged with high emotion. The responses you got here do not surprise me one bit. They are no diferent than the last person who asked the same question. You've been a member long enough to have seen all this so you know what I mean.
You and I got off on the wrong foot. For that I appologize. Unless of course you really ARE Iffy, Glenn or Char. In that case - shame on you, but I have to hand it to you it was a pretty brilliant play.
My suggestion (who the heck am I to offer advice, but so what ... ) maybe hone in on more specific questions about the imports vs USA ovations. Avoids the emotion, yet taps into the knowledge base around here who certainly DO know the answers. Perhaps ...
1. what is the warranty on import vs usa model
2. do they use the same grade of woods
3. do imports and USA models have the same pre-amps and pickups
4. is the hyardware (tuners ) the same quality and brand name
5. what is the difference in neck attachment between imports adn usa models
6. do they have the same bracing patterns, brace shapes and weight
7. are the actual bowls the same on import vs usa models
8. what exact model of case comes with each
9. how are the frets finished and leveled on imports vs usa models
10. are the frets glued in or press fit on imports vs usa models
11. how is the intomation set and bridge placement controlled on each
12. are nut materials same on import vs usa models
etc, etc, etc.
Remember - Validation for buying an import and Reason to not buy a USA are not necessarily the same thing.
Good luck.
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Location: NH | mileskb - 2012-10-30 6:23 PM
but if you think there IS a Troll, the ONLY response is NO response. PERIOD. THere is no "turf" to protect..
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Location: south east Michigan | Miles, you have to know by now that someone will always take the bait.
Always.
It's just magical thinking to believe it will happen any other way.
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A little moderating by the moderators, rather then depending on the membership, might head off something like this.
These guys are not that hard to spot.
And with the information resources at your fingertips, you can see things we can't.
Isn't obvious that Timmy's ID was dormant for a long time?
Isn't it curious that Timmy started posting right after that John guy got booted?
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It's obvious that just because you put up a gate at the entrance means that all is well in the backyard.
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I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the thread entitled "Off Shore Guitars" was literally 2 threads before this one. You may not have noticed it before it scrolled off the page, but there's no way he could have missed it!
Then, he passes on an invitation to meet a fellow OFC'er in his own town with a domestic and foreign Ovation for him to check out in person and he can't, cuz he has "work up to his eyeballs"?
I'm sorry but I'm calling his bluff. "Timolin", come on by, wings are on me (and they're good!) and I'll let everyone know you're for real. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | alpep - 2012-10-31 12:00 PM
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What's the verdict on non-US made Ovations?
