Posted 2017-01-22 11:44 AM (#532210 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13994
Location: Upper Left USA
Beautiful guitars, strong showing!
Loved the cajones! If they don't show up for sale soon I might have to build one or two (innies and outies).
I'm thinking with X bracing.
Posted 2017-01-22 6:15 PM (#532215 - in reply to #532212) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301
Location: south east Michigan
I was told NAMM was huge but that doesn't cover it. Soooo many guitars. Brands you have never seen before and won't see outside the show. There had to be over a hundred effects bos manufactures. My Fitbit showed Temp and I walked over 7 miles each day. .
Posted 2017-01-23 9:27 AM (#532225 - in reply to #532159) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: December 2003 Posts: 852
Location: Canada
Standingovation - 2017-01-20 7:17 AM I would guess these GC guitars might just be old stock of the LTD with a new label on them. Ovation has made several attempts to reissue the 1627, first as a 40th anniversary model in '06, then the LTD version, then the Vintage lyracord version (which are still being sold as FRG's) and now this one.
So what are the specific differences between these various incarnations? This arfticle has a few details about the specs:
I find it interesting that this has a nitro finish, was not aware that Ovations had that before. Also the pre-amp might be the same as was used in the 200G Adamas RI, or not? And I am suprsised about the shallow bowl, was that standard at the time?
Posted 2017-01-23 4:41 PM (#532229 - in reply to #532228) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas
The 40th 1627 RI, to my recollection, was an extremely nice guitar. Certainly in craftsmanship, but also acoustically. The LTD was basically a re-issue of a reissue?....moving Glens sig to the bottom of the fretboard was the biggest difference I could see. I believe they made 50 of these...half or so were given away to artists when Glen had the tribute at the CMA's. I don't think they finished the full run of the 40th.
The bowl...if they are staying true to the guitar...should be a mid-depth bowl, which was called the "artist depth" back in the day. Funny that Glen appeared to prefer deep bowls for acoustics, as time passed. I have no idea why they would tie a shallow bowl to Glen.
I have no idea what the "Campbell iconic 1771" is in reference to.
It is nice of them to include Glen's name in their production of guitars. As far as the guitar goes...the signature is spot on, which is why they probably called it the "Glen Campbell Signature guitar"
Posted 2017-01-23 5:27 PM (#532231 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: February 2014 Posts: 714
Location: moline,illinois
I'm lost on the Glen Campbell model also,my GC is a 1972 1127 acoustic only with the artist-mid-depth bowl,the electronic version they came out with later was a 1627 I believe,a 1771 is a mid-depth cutaway balladeer so I don't know what they're talking about but it is cool they are honoring his contribution to ovations history.
Posted 2017-01-24 12:13 AM (#532247 - in reply to #532246) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: August 2002 Posts: 627
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
Hi, Everyone,
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I have read in several interviews that Glen Campbell specifically asked Charlie Kaman to re-design the deep bowl GC Ovation, because it hurt his back, and so Ovation introduced the GC Artist Depth Bowl. The pre-amp was also his idea. Glen did play deep-bowl 12-Strings, and the Elite Series later, but the Artist Depth bowl was initially made for him.
Mike S.
Ottawa, ON.
CANADA
Posted 2017-01-24 12:33 PM (#532251 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15674
Location: SoCal
That info was in the book from 1996. Campbell started with a deep bowl, went to the shallow bowl for about 3-4 years, then back to a deep bowl for about 20 years. Finally, on stage, went to an acoustic Viper. But still played a deep bowl at times. Some of the artist depth bowls I heard him play sounded horrible and some sounded very good. Lotta different guitars......
Posted 2017-01-24 2:10 PM (#532252 - in reply to #532251) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas
Paul,
When you say "shallow" are you referring the artist bowl of the day?
On the Goodbye tour, the neck to Glens Viper was broken and during the time it was being repaired, he played his black custom legend. I remember seeing one video where, sadly, he was arguing with Ashley that the CL wasn't the guitar he was supposed to have and she was trying to "remind" him about breaking the Viper.
Posted 2017-01-24 4:38 PM (#532262 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: December 2015 Posts: 287
Location: Katmandu
The US Glen Campbell model confirmed to come with a cedar top. In addition to the US model, there will be Korean versions of it at a more affordable price.
Posted 2017-01-26 2:59 PM (#532293 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: June 2002 Posts: 6201
Location: Phoenix AZ
I agree with Jonmark. Definitely does not look like cedar to me. And it would seem to be an odd choice for this guitar. Unless of course their marketing research has concluded that 90% of anyone interesting in a GC tribute guitar already has some version (shiny bowl, artist, reissue, LTD ...) and maybe these same folks would pony up to have a matching one with cedar top ?
What's your folks take on all these funky drum woods used for tops? It's cool to see some DW influence and I'll admit some of these do look stunning hanging on a wall. But somehow there is nothing about them that makes me want to own one.
Posted 2017-01-26 3:17 PM (#532294 - in reply to #532293) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: December 2003 Posts: 852
Location: Canada
Standingovation - 2017-01-26 2:59 PM What's your folks take on all these funky drum woods used for tops? It's cool to see some DW influence and I'll admit some of these do look stunning hanging on a wall. But somehow there is nothing about them that makes me want to own one.
I have to admit that the variety of exotic woods do absolutely nothing for me, appearance of the guitar is pretty far down on the list. What I care about is what's under the hood, and that's where the historical strength of Ovation was which attracted me to the bowls. It certainly would be nice to have some innovation back, for example in neck construction or creative use of carbon fibre materials etc.
IMO, funky looking guitars may appeal more to younger generations for whom guitars might also be more disposable. So hopefully there's a new market there.
Posted 2017-01-26 3:27 PM (#532296 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15674
Location: SoCal
I liked the Vipers and the mando. The guitars that were cool looking were those without epi's. New Ovations aren't really geared to me. I still want a guitar that sounds great acoustically. My old 1537 and other O's I own pretty well meet my needs.
Posted 2017-01-26 4:07 PM (#532298 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759
Location: Boise, Idaho
I thought he misspoke. The exotic woods don't do much for me. I've gone through that phase with bubinga in the 99 Collector, the nutmeg that I gave my daughter and the LAVKoa that I still have. None of them draw me to them as far as the sound. The don't necessarily sound dead, but the hard wood or plywood used in the top just doesn't sound as good as spruce or cedar to me. The carbon fiber tops are altogether different, but have a resonance and volume that exceeds the spruce. Laminated or hardwood tops and mid or shallow bowls may be fine for someone who plays plugged in, but I just like the sound of the original Ovations better.
Posted 2017-01-26 4:08 PM (#532299 - in reply to #532297) Subject: RE: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: January 2009 Posts: 1249
Location: Texas
Well, this doesn't bode well for the model or their knowledge of the guy who made it all possible for Ovation
precise recreation of Campbell's iconic “1771” model
A mitigating factor is...Ovation made some doggone good models that are available on the secondary market for a fraction of the price. I remember a thread from a while ago where there was a Tone+Bling scale. I am not seeing much coming out of DW in terms of working Ovation towards a killer tone...just a lot of bling (Adamas aside).
As I said before...I appreciate DW's effort to reestablish the brand and provide jobs. Maybe they will, at some point, attempt to play with Torrefied woods, different bracing etc.
Posted 2017-01-26 5:04 PM (#532300 - in reply to #532119) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
Joined: December 2003 Posts: 852
Location: Canada
So the list price for GC looks quite reasonable wonder what retail will be. So did they use nitro finish on ovations in the past or is this something they inherited from guild?
Posted 2017-01-26 5:52 PM (#532302 - in reply to #532300) Subject: Re: NAMM 2017 Information and Photos
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Location: Indiana
d'ovation - 2017-01-26 5:04 PM So did they use nitro finish on ovations in the past or is this something they inherited from guild?
The early years, yes. Look at the ebay pics of #60 Beal just bought. That yellowing is tell-tale nitro. The cataylized finish they transitioned to doesn't yellow/darken like that.
Edited by Jonmark Stone 2017-01-26 5:54 PM
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