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cliff
Posted 2006-09-06 4:54 PM (#241788 - in reply to #241713)
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But fruit, nonetheless . . .
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Weaser P
Posted 2006-09-06 5:01 PM (#241789 - in reply to #241713)
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Yeah, c'mon Cliff. That's like comparing PT Barnum with, well, PT Barnum, I guess.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-06 5:10 PM (#241790 - in reply to #241713)
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I find this " What to do with the Video" question very interesting.

If Steve wouldn't want his children to see it, why would he take the kinda chances he took in the first place, while being filmed? I think it's well documented, he was aware of and even talked about the possibility of getting killed.

I also think it's interesting how selective we are about viewing death. U.S. mass-media shows dead Iraqis, Jews, Lebonese etc, but rarely ever US Soilders, not even coming home in coffins.

Again this is not to inflame anyone, honest, but it seems we don't deal with death very well, yet there's NOTHING more certain in our world.

If he died loving what he did, show it. Wouldn't that be a lesson as potent as any other he was teaching?

Wife and kids or not... they don't ever have to see it if they choose not to.

Death is a fact of life, no matter how you go. We shouldn't hide it or from it... when we do, we are always less prepared for it.
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-09-06 5:14 PM (#241791 - in reply to #241713)
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Okay...apples and horses.
There is just no reason for that film to be treated as an historical artifact.
Does the world have a "right" to see it?....no
Would be of some benifit to the human race to see it??..no
Should it end up on YouTube?....no
Should it be saved for his kids??? No...hell no.
I guess maybe that I think there are drawbacks to this age of limitless information.
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-09-06 5:18 PM (#241792 - in reply to #241713)
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"How we face death is at least as important as how we face life.....Don't you agree lieutenant?" James T. Kirk
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This thing about being grateful that someone died "doing what they loved" needs a second thought. Given the choice, would Mr. Irwin have jumped in the water? Would Sonny Bono strapped on the skis that day?
Personally, I'd prefer not die doing what I love to do. I'd rather live and do it again tommorrow.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-06 5:23 PM (#241793 - in reply to #241713)
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Certainly words to ponder...

...even if delivered by an over-cooked ham.
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cliff
Posted 2006-09-06 5:24 PM (#241794 - in reply to #241713)
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". . The reason "Trekkies" can do that Vulcan "hand-sign" so well is because their fingers are stuck together from jackin' themselves off so much . ."
- Artie Laing
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-06 5:31 PM (#241795 - in reply to #241713)
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is THAT why I always hit ther "er" and "re" kerys at ther samer timer!?
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schroeder
Posted 2006-09-06 5:33 PM (#241796 - in reply to #241713)
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No, that's the hook.
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Northcountry
Posted 2006-09-06 5:40 PM (#241797 - in reply to #241713)
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I enjoyed his "Ausse" antics for the first year or so then he just started getting old.
After the Kid thing, he looked more and more like an Ass Clown to me every time I saw him on the Tele. I am sure many of the locals from Down Unda found his character hard to deal with. He was a drama queen and a 200lb HAM about many of the camera scenes.
All in all the guy may not have been some peoples cup of tea but he loved what he did and If I could pursue my passion, which has once again become Music, in the way he pursued his Wild Animals..... Well then, I tip my hat to the guy. He was smarter than me.....(Although I know that's not saying much). Now that he's gone I think I'll miss getting to watch him do some stupid over hyped up Daanga.... Daanga.... croc wrestleing fest with the rest of the crew from Clown College.
My Kids thought he was the best so that's worth something... To have a flick of a tail that hits you in the heart be your end... Man he did not have a fighting chance, now we all deserve at least that. It's kinda like being a pro musican and having a string break that goes through your eye and into your brain instantly killing you. It's all part of the job. But Dam!!! Ya know?

The flame that burns twice as bright I guess!

Randy
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Brian T
Posted 2006-09-06 9:33 PM (#241798 - in reply to #241713)
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It's pure speculation, but I'd wager that Steve would want people to see the film, if for no other reason than to teach people what can happen when you slip up around a dangerous animal. But it shouldnt be shown this soon, maybe a year from now would be OK.

And I also agree, it only would need to be seen up to the point where he takes the hit, that's the message that some people need to get. The aftermath shouldnt be shown.
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flipsyde7589
Posted 2006-09-07 12:41 AM (#241799 - in reply to #241713)
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What we don't know is what kind of antics he was doing right before he got hit. He could have been blatantly stupid for the camera . . . or not.

It'll be a while, if ever, that the public gets to see the film.
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BigBearCarolina
Posted 2006-09-07 7:42 AM (#241800 - in reply to #241713)
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Absolutely no valid reason for the film to be made public. None. Nada. Zilch. It wasn't an assassination, a terrorist attack, or natural disaster. It was an accident in which someone lost their life. To have it be made public under the guise of "public education" when in fact there are those who simply find entertainment value in the tragedy of others would be, in my opinion, shameful. Morbid curiosity in someone else's death seems a little weird to me. Someone said that death was a fact of life. That is certainly so. So are bowel movements, and I have no wish to see those on film, either.
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edensharvest
Posted 2006-09-07 11:05 AM (#241801 - in reply to #241713)
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Absolutely agreed on that one. It poses an unusual question when an accidental death is caught on film, but I firmly believe that there are many things that just don't need to be seen. Either destroy it, or turn it over to his wife for her discretion on what to do with it. After all, it really should be in her hands anyway if it's going anywhere.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-09-07 4:54 PM (#241802 - in reply to #241713)
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Actually, I think either his wife or someone in his family has said that it was Steve's wish that it be made public, and probably will at some point in the future.

So, if you don't want to see it, don't watch it, but I bet you will.
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BigBearCarolina
Posted 2006-09-07 4:57 PM (#241803 - in reply to #241713)
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You would lose that bet.
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-09-07 4:58 PM (#241804 - in reply to #241713)
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Did Steve have the time to make that decision???
It would be creepy if he anticipated such an end made those wishes known ahead of time.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-09-07 5:06 PM (#241805 - in reply to #241713)
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He apparently made that known often and instructed the camera guys to keep shooting no matter what.
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Mitchrx
Posted 2006-09-07 5:10 PM (#241806 - in reply to #241713)
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If it's true then he did appreciate and anticipate that he could die from some of the stuff he was into.

Watching the film will be each person's own choice, but I'll bet that the film won't be destroyed even if the news carries stories that it was. There's a few copies, at least, already out there.

Simply becasue of the money potential, at some time in the future an edited version of the film will be made public.
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2006-09-07 5:16 PM (#241807 - in reply to #241713)
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I agree with BigBear--one of the things our quest for information has done is to assume that famous people and their families have no rights to privacy. If my husband had been famous enough to have his death scene recorded for posterity, would I have wanted to have had to relive it over and over through the media just to satisfy someone else's so-called "right to know"? It was difficult enough just being there.........whoever said "Time heals all wounds" obviously wasn't wounded too deeply. Just my very small two cents,
Karen
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-09-07 5:23 PM (#241808 - in reply to #241713)
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Karen, I firmly believe that the decision to make it public or not should lie with the wife and family. The public doesn't have a 'right' to see it, I just don't see anything wrong with showing it if they want it to be seen.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-09-07 5:24 PM (#241809 - in reply to #241713)
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Time wounds all heels.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-09-07 5:35 PM (#241810 - in reply to #241713)
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And Karen, if showing a documentary of the long slow death of my brother would keep just one person from becoming a druggie and alcoholic I would want it shown.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2006-09-07 11:22 PM (#241811 - in reply to #241713)
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one of the things our quest for information has done is to assume that famous people and their families have no rights to privacy.
I firmly believe that the decision to make it public or not should lie with the wife and family.
Ergo, the Earnhardt law in Florida.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2006-09-12 7:37 PM (#241812 - in reply to #241713)
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It was meant to be a documentary,documentaries are meant to be seen/heard,it is not compulsory ,but we all have the right to see and hear it is up to each individual to decide if something can be learned,documentaries are tuitive tools,I did not even know that animal existed,now I do,thanks to that documentary,I would never condone the destruction of tuitive material ! !
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