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Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System

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6L6
Posted 2003-03-05 8:35 PM (#211490)
Subject: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Location: San Francisco, CA
I have a 2000 Custom Legend Model 1869 (super shallow body) that I think sounds really good when played through a normal guitar amplifier.

However, when I play at open mics in San Francisco and go into the house PA system, I am less satisfied with the tone.

I should say that I play with either a plastic flatpick (medium) or a plastic thumbpick and two metal fingerpicks for fingerstyle. I tried phosphor bronze strings but switched to some Elixer's because I felt they fattened up the tone a bit. I also use a BOSS RV-3 pedal for a tiny bit of slapback echo.

Like I said, I DO like the sound of this fine axe thru a guitar amp. What can I do to get better tone thru a PA (as a side note, the PA's I usually play through are good quality systems).

Thanks for your suggestions!
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Ralph
Posted 2003-03-06 2:57 AM (#211491 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 105

Location: San Francisco, CA
Super shallow bowl = super shallow sound unplugged or open mic.
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willard
Posted 2003-03-06 4:54 AM (#211492 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 1300

Location: Madison, Wisconsin
I'm asuming by "open mic" you don't mean just a mic. but that you are plugging it into a PA?
Try using the PA's EQ and turning the on-board one off and visa-versa. Some sound guys do a better job that others and I've had it sound "better" both ways. Your super shallow guitar should sound great plugged in, that's what it was designed for.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2003-03-06 5:15 AM (#211493 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 5750

Location: Scotland
Don't assume that the EQ settings you use for a guitar amp will be the same for a PA system. Set the guitar EQ flat and ask the engineer to set the console flat. Adjust the guitar eq till it's as good as it will get, then instruct the engineer to give your more or less of what you want to hear (more bass, less top, less mid or whatever) Eq is much better at taking away what you don't need than trying to put in what may not be there. Most consoles will have at least one band of sweepable midrange, so ask the engineer to boost the mid-gain & sweep through the frequencies, have him cut the sound you like least by a couple of dB. Using a DI box rather than running a guitar cord to an unbalanced line-level input should help also. Your guitar regardless of bowl-depth should sound much better through a PA than any guitar amp. I'd guess it's down to half-assed engineers.
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cliff
Posted 2003-03-06 7:17 AM (#211494 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 14842

Location: NJ
I agree with Paul.
Since I started playing through my P.A., I don't even OWN a guitar amp anymore! MUCH better sound!
I also agree w/Paul that your guitar sound problem(s) are probably due to a "loose nut behind the wheel".
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alpep
Posted 2003-03-06 7:41 AM (#211495 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 10583

Location: NJ
I always adjust the eq on the guitar for the room . It works.

super shallow does not have to mean shallow sound it is all in how you use it
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playadamas
Posted 2003-03-07 1:57 AM (#211496 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 398

Location: So. Cal.
Try the Boss AD-3, you might like it!

Just me and my Adamas!
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Bailey
Posted 2003-03-07 2:06 AM (#211497 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


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Posts: 3005

Location: Las Cruces, NM
It is these type of discussions that make a great board. It's the only way we can hear about how these things work. There is a lot of stuff out there and it's hard to choose what might work. I encourage all of you to describe your experience with equipment so we can all be better consumers (and pickers).

Bailey
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6L6
Posted 2003-03-09 12:14 AM (#211498 - in reply to #211490)
Subject: Re: Need Tips On Playing My Ovation Thru A PA System


Joined:
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Posts: 92

Location: San Francisco, CA
Thanks for all the good input guys!

6L6
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