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GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!

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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-04-10 11:28 AM (#419758 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains		And that makes perfect sense; letting the top vibrate more naturally w/o the addition of the mass of the bolts is GENIUS!

Who Knew?
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Patch
Posted 2009-04-10 11:30 AM (#419759 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
But now the pictures are out I guess it's time to fess up. Sorry, boys the magic of this guitar is due to the abcense of bridge bolts.

There you have it.
Time to give Kim a call....

That'll be about the fourth time this week! The poor guy's gonna start avoiding me soon.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-04-10 12:25 PM (#419760 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains		Look Ma, No Bridge Bolts...

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Patch
Posted 2009-04-10 1:14 PM (#419761 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent		Kim just called back, Mine will have no bridge bolts either. They had already made that call actually since the bridge will come off for the repair anyway.

Now for the next news. The crack does go through the top, GC center will pay for the crack to be filled and cleated, then refinished.

Kim asked if I wanted to kick in a little more and have the top replaced entirely. I'd love to, but I'm not sure I can afford it. I'm already paying to have the neck and headstock glossed, and finances are a little thin. But I love the idea of getting a virtually NEW Book Elite in a couple of months. I told Kim I'd let him know on Monday.

It's looking like I'll have to get back in the horsetrading saddle quickly, so if you guys see anything I have for sale, you'll know where the proceeds will be going. :rolleyes: I would have about two months to come up with an extra $600 or so. So it's time to get out the cowboy guitar and play Back In The Saddle Again.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-04-10 1:58 PM (#419762 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!
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Location: Phoenix AZ		Have Kim put on a carved Custom Legend bridge like the 87 Collector. That'll be the most special Book Elite of all.
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fillhixx
Posted 2009-04-10 2:02 PM (#419763 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia		I'd say keep the old top. It adds to the mojo to collect natural wear and tear.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-04-10 2:08 PM (#419764 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains		With a new top, is it still an original Book Elite, or rather, a custom guitar incorporating a mix of parts from an original and some new updates made to resemble the Book Elite appointments? To some, this might make a difference. To others, maybe not.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-04-10 2:29 PM (#419765 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: SoCal		As long as it's got the gay looking outies, it's a book elite.

Seriously, it's the build configuration that makes it a specific model, not necessarily the original components......
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-04-10 2:46 PM (#419766 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!
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Location: Phoenix AZ		KEEP THE TOP !!!

Ovation is using all that left over cheezy balladeer wood these days. You want the real deal.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-04-10 3:47 PM (#419767 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains		Keep the top: here is a pic of mine with the repair from the inside and you cannot see the repair from the front of the guitar (High Detail Pic from page one of this thread)...

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muzza
Posted 2009-04-14 8:00 PM (#419768 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Sunshine State, Australia		Is it possible for the moderators to shrink the monster images?

Please.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-04-14 8:15 PM (#419769 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Upper Left USA		Al don't know how and Miles has a "Day Job"... :rolleyes:
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sligoman
Posted 2009-04-14 10:31 PM (#419770 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: Portland, OR		My 1118 had a similar crack and it was repaired at the factory. Never sounded better when I got it back but you can still see the crack, particularly if you put a flashlight inside. It's now been probably 20 years since that work was done. It will be in my estate.
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Patch
Posted 2009-04-14 10:33 PM (#419771 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent		Decision time!

After due consideration over the holiday weekend, and considering that this instrument will be paired with a book mando that has already been customized, and taking into account Kim's assurance that a replacement top "will be AAA+ spruce, generally the best we have in house", I gave the go ahead today to put a new top on it. Now for the waiting....and the frenzied trading as I try to raise the cash for the repairs before they're done.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-04-14 10:44 PM (#419772 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Originally posted by MusicMishka:
Look Ma, No Bridge Bolts...

Were there originally bridge-bolt in there? I guess I mean, is that the original top, and they replace the bridge without bolts?

Just looking for that Education...
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-05-03 11:29 AM (#419773 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Originally posted by Patch:
Decision time!

After due consideration over the holiday weekend, and considering that this instrument will be paired with a book mando that has already been customized, and taking into account Kim's assurance that a replacement top "will be AAA+ spruce, generally the best we have in house", I gave the go ahead today to put a new top on it. Now for the waiting....and the frenzied trading as I try to raise the cash for the repairs before they're done.
Ok, in for a penny, in for a pound.

A new top means a new bowl. You gonna keep the original electronics or upgrade? I did that with my 87C and now have the only 87C with an OP Pro in it. I love it!
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-05-03 11:38 AM (#419774 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: south east Michigan		See if they have one of the old foil labels sitting around.

Like A.J. might say... Sydney or the bush!
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Patch
Posted 2009-05-03 6:52 PM (#419775 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
You gonna keep the original electronics or upgrade? I did that with my 87C and now have the only 87C with an OP Pro in it. I love it!
The thought occurred, along with a fair bit of longing, but the truth is that I can't afford that upgrade. Something tells me though that I won't be feeling disappointed when the guitar gets here.

Still trading to pay for it though. Let's see....at the moment, I just sold one, one's on hold for an OFC'er, and another is still for sale. Considering the market right now, expect a few more offerings in the near future.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-05-03 7:34 PM (#419776 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: South of most, North of few		Glad I could help you out Patch. I wouldn't change any of the original specs of the guitar if I were you. New top,...ok, changing the preamp, labels, bridge, no.
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PEZ
Posted 2009-05-03 11:21 PM (#419777 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
While it's at the factory, pay some extra to have them gloss the neck and headstock. Trust me on this, it'w well worth it. Ask Mikey or Toby. In fact, Toby could point you to some pics of before and after.

These are great guitars. You're ultimately going to be very happy with your choice.

Is the crack thru the wood or just in the laquer?
2nd that on the gloss neck
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-05-03 11:25 PM (#419778 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Glad I could help you out Patch. I wouldn't change any of the original specs of the guitar if I were you. New top,...ok, changing the preamp, labels, bridge, no.
Jeez T.J., I've got an 87C that's had the neck replaced as well as the body and electronics. The only thing original on it are the label and tuners. I guess you'll never buy it? Of course, that would presuppose that I'd ever sell it.

Which I wouldn't......
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fletcher
Posted 2009-05-04 12:44 AM (#419779 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR		T.J., You bring up a point I've been pondering; I have a '67-'68 standard balladeer and would like to have an A/E version. First thought is to send mine to mother and have an old-style preamp installed. Would you? Or would you sell the standard and purchase a different A/E?
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-05-04 2:16 AM (#419780 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!
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Location: Phoenix AZ		Probably depends what your goal is.

If you just need something with good electronics to gig out with you could pick up a complete a/e guitar for what you'll pay to have your SB upgraded.

On the other hand if the SB is "the" guitar and it's just killing you that you can't gig with it, then go for it.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-05-04 6:07 AM (#419781 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!


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Location: South of most, North of few		Fletch, in the case of a standard balladeer, I wouldn't think twice about adding a factory type pickup (stacked tone and volume). You would have to use a thinline pickup under the saddle instead of the wider piezo. I've done that to an 1115 to make it a 1615, and it worked out nice.

Paul, I wasn't saying it was wrong to replace the body, top, neck, tuners, electronics etc... just that if it's such a limited availability model as an 87C, I would just replace them with period and application correct items.
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Patch
Posted 2009-09-22 9:39 AM (#419782 - in reply to #419733)
Subject: Re: GAS just doesn’t get any more complicated than this!



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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent		I meant to finally bring closure to this thread when I picked up my guitar last Friday. Most of you have seen the new thread I started with yet further proof of the factory's stellar capabilities, but here's the link just in case.

Patch\'s New Book

I just thought this was an interesting thread that deserved a complete ending. I first purchased the guitar in March (Started this thread about a month later.), and here it is almost October. That's almost 6 months worth of trading at the OFC swap-meet. I may be crazy, but I'm persistently crazy. And that doggedness (woof) has netted a unique, sweet sounding and looking instrument.

In short, it was DEFINITELY worth all the effort. Thanks everyone who commented on both threads.
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