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Location: Texas | "It's like making Coca-Cola with High Fructose Corn Syrup vs. Pure Cane Sugar.." Are you sure that wasn't Dr. Pepper, back when they sold it in hand laid bottles?
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | arthurseery - 2013-03-18 11:54 AM
From which I deduced (correctly it seems) that the VL bowls are made in Asia.
Once again... the specs were sent to Asia.
And Once again... the Asians factory could not duplicate the original bowl.
First, you jumped on my statement that the current VL bowls are hand-laid. I've supplied information that shows that, regardless of where they're made, the VL-series bowls are, in fact, hand-laid from woven fiberglass cloth.
If you still disagree, then please provide information that shows what materials and manufacturing techniques are used to make them.
FWIW, I've been molding fiberglass parts for the last 10-15 years as a part of my other hobby/side business, RC model airplanes. I've made plugs, master and production tooling. From these, I've molded and sold, literally, hundreds of parts from both male and female molds and have even done some vacuum-bagging of parts. So, when it comes to molding fiberglass parts, I know a little bit about the subject.
Second, you'll have to define what you mean when you write, 'original bowl.'
The 1st generation bowl was hand-laid woven fiberglass cloth over a male mold, then vacuum-bagged to squeeze out the excess resin. (AKA - Lyrachord, 1966-1968)
The 2nd generation bowl was hand-laid woven fiberglass cloth inside a female mold with no vacuum-bagging to remove excess resin. (AKA - Lyrachord, 1968-1981)
The 3rd generation are/were polyester pre-preg, i.e.: roving fiberglass mat premixed with partially cured polyester resin and molded in a heated compression mold. (SMC, AKA - Lyrachord, - 1982-present)
The 4th generation are polyester pre-preg, i.e.: roving fiberglass mat premixed with partially-cured polyester resin and 35% phenolic glass spheres and molded in a heated compression mold. (SMC, AKA - Lyrachord GS, - 2005-present)
So, when you write that the 'Asian factory could not duplicate the original bowl', to which of these are you referring? |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | dvd - 2013-03-18 12:57 PM
Ah okay that's what I figured, as everything I had seen said the K1111 reissues use hand laid bowls.
We might need to have Tina Turner throw the two of you into the Thunderdome to bottom out on the asian art of bowl making. I'd be happy to move this discussion over to my "The History of the Bowl" thread. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | amosmoses - 2013-03-18 1:28 PM
Are you sure that wasn't Dr. Pepper, back when they sold it in hand laid bottles?
Hand-blown, not hand-laid.  |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | DanSavage - 2013-03-18 4:57 PM
dvd - 2013-03-18 12:57 PM
Ah okay that's what I figured, as everything I had seen said the K1111 reissues use hand laid bowls.
We might need to have Tina Turner throw the two of you into the Thunderdome to bottom out on the asian art of bowl making. I'd be happy to move this discussion over to my "The History of the Bowl" thread.
Perhaps you would find a broader audience by doing so, but don't move anything on my account. I was just trying to be funny. To me, arguing the composition/construction of the VL bowls is like arguing about which fake Rolex has better workmanship. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | dvd - 2013-03-18 2:20 PM
Perhaps you would find a broader audience by doing so, but don't move anything on my account. I was just trying to be funny. To me, arguing the composition/construction of the VL bowls is like arguing about which fake Rolex has better workmanship.
With the exception of the Adamas and customs, isn't the general consensus that pretty much all Ovations these days are the equivalent of fake Rolex watches?
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Location: Texas | "Hand-blown, not hand-laid" When you get down to that part of Texas, hand-blown is not a process, rather than 2 options available by the entrepreneurs on Waco Drive on any given evening. Maybe that is why I went with laid...my bad.
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Location: Central Massachusetts | I can't speak for others, but that's my position at least in terms of new kit. Which is why I'm excited to have scored this reissue and so many other great guitars on the secondary market here.
Don't get me wrong, your (and Arts) research on the historical processes with respect to USA models is good stuff. But I wouldn't waste a lot of time extrapolating this into the offshore models. That's just me. Carry on! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | No matter how the bowl is made, the 40th RI Balladeer is a great guitar and that was an incredibly good price. I put my Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup in mine the other day. I hadn't used it in years. Wow, did it ever sound good over the amp. But for just my ears, which are the only ones that matter 99.9% of the time, the 40th gets played as much or more than any of my guitars. It's still one of those that when I see it hanging there I just have to grab it and play it. |
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Location: Flahdaw | amosmoses - 2013-03-18 5:59 PM
When you get down to that part of Texas, hand-blown is not a process, rather than 2 options available by the entrepreneurs on Waco Drive on any given evening.
Do they let you "double-down"? |
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Location: Texas | LOL...I knew that post would draw you out. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Received the RI today (intact! Thank you, FedEx and rhoadsscholar!)
Holy crap, it sounds good! Head to head with the 1537 good. |
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Location: Texas | Truly an Ovation that has "it" Congrats! |
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Location: SoCal | dvd - 2013-03-21 1:54 PM
Received the RI today (intact! Thank you, FedEx and rhoadsscholar!)
Holy crap, it sounds good! Head to head with the 1537 good.
Yup. I've got an 87C, a 1537, and an A braced Legend. Which one sounds best? Aw man, don't push me..... |
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Location: michigan | Glad it worked out and stayed in the family. Needed to pay the taxman. Take care |
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