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rick endres
Posted 2014-06-02 1:28 PM (#487390)
Subject: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?


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Location: cincinnati, ohio		Okay – I’m a technophobe I admit it. So I’m looking to you guys for help. Do any of you use an iPad mini to display lyric and tab sheets when you play live? If so, what are some of the best / most user friendly apps out there? Or do you make your own sheets, and if so, how do you do it? What do you use? I’d like to try to go paperless.

Thanks!
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Weaser P
Posted 2014-06-02 2:31 PM (#487393 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?


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Location: Cicero, NY		I don't gig so I've never actually used it but I know OnSong (with the optional AirTurn) is pretty popular with some giggers. Seems to be pretty highly recommended.
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cliff
Posted 2014-06-02 2:47 PM (#487394 - in reply to #487390)
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Location: NJ		OnSong.
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Damon67
Posted 2014-06-02 4:37 PM (#487399 - in reply to #487390)
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Location: Jet City		^^^^^ I'd listen to him.
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Darkbar
Posted 2014-06-02 4:49 PM (#487401 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Flahdaw		AirTurn looks cool, but the Mini seems kinda small to read easily
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nerdydave
Posted 2014-06-02 11:00 PM (#487411 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?


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Location: Always beautiful canyon country of Utah		I just have my songs typed up and then I put them in a folder and I can open any song I want and there are the words.
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Waskel
Posted 2014-06-03 6:24 PM (#487445 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: closely held secret		Mini, no. My eyes were never good enough to read lyrics in 2 point fonts.
iPad with OnSong (I use the PageFlip Cicada), yes. Brilliantly functional.
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Slipkid
Posted 2014-06-03 6:58 PM (#487448 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: south east Michigan		This may be the "what"... but how about the "why & how"?
I wish I could have my fifty or so songs firmly seated in my brain all neatly filed and de-fragged for immediate recall.
But that's just not gonna happen. I have maybe 25 songs that are just muscle memory but the rest, especially in a performance situation, might develop a hitch or two.
For some songs I like to be able to briefly glance down & get my bearings before I dive in. If I get distracted or confused I can look down just to get on track again.
I would never just keep my eyes fixed on the page. I feel that if a song is that unpolished... leave it at home.
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I imagine the guys that gig part time for full time, and get money for it, have some pretty thick songbooks.
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standing
Posted 2014-06-04 7:39 AM (#487460 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Texas		I use ForScore (with a Cicada PageFlip pedal,) on a full-sized iPad, (a mini would be too small for me to see while playing.) ForScore is an iPad-only app, it won't run on an iPhone.:

http://www.forscoreapp.com


Edited by standing 2014-06-04 7:58 AM
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mbedard
Posted 2014-06-04 9:34 AM (#487466 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Seacoast NH		I've just used my song list in PDF format (via Docs2Go) on a regular sized ipad on a mic stand. Ran into an issue one night with no WiFi to connect to the App though.

Gonna check out this OnSong...
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mbedard
Posted 2014-06-04 9:34 AM (#487467 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Seacoast NH		I've just used my song list in PDF format (via Docs2Go) on a regular sized ipad on a mic stand. Ran into an issue one night with no WiFi to connect to the App though.

Gonna check out this OnSong...
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standing
Posted 2014-06-04 12:00 PM (#487474 - in reply to #487467)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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mbedard1 - 2014-06-04 9:34 AM

I've just used my song list in PDF format (via Docs2Go) on a regular sized ipad on a mic stand. Ran into an issue one night with no WiFi to connect to the App though.

Gonna check out this OnSong...


Sorry, I don't understand why you needed Wi-Fi while playing. Are you saying that only your set list is on your iPad, but the actual sheet music/tabs/lyrics/chord charts (whatever) are not stored locally on the iPad? Are you retrieving them from DropBox or some other cloud-based storage?

I keep a copy of all of my songs/tabs/lyrics, etc. as PDF files on my computer, I regularly sync them all with ForScore on my iPad, then I use ForScore to view/play them, create set-lists, etc. on the iPad. I don't need Wi-Fi while playing, since the actual files are already stored on the iPad.

I'm going to check OnSong also to see how it compares to ForScore, but so far, ForScore has worked fairly well for me. (ymmv…)

-standing-
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mbedard
Posted 2014-06-06 8:18 AM (#487523 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Seacoast NH		Standing, its probably user error on my part. I think the Docs2Go app needs WiFi connection, which I didn't realize til we were setting up for a gig. I'm running around up and down the block outside like an idiot trying to find an open network. Always pays to have a backup hard copy binder!

How would I store these things locally? I was under the impression that iPads have no local memory. I should probably just ask my 4 year old...
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standing
Posted 2014-06-06 5:00 PM (#487544 - in reply to #487523)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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mbedard1 - 2014-06-06 8:18 AM

Standing, its probably user error on my part. I think the Docs2Go app needs WiFi connection, which I didn't realize til we were setting up for a gig. I'm running around up and down the block outside like an idiot trying to find an open network. Always pays to have a backup hard copy binder!

How would I store these things locally? I was under the impression that iPads have no local memory. I should probably just ask my 4 year old...


I assume you mean Docs2Go on your computer uses Wi-Fi to sync/send files to your iPad, and you had no access to WI-Fi to move songs from your computer onto your iPad? If that's the case, in the future you may be able to connect the iPad to the computer with a USB cable and transfer songs directly, via iTunes, bypassing Wi-Fi altogether. But, obviously you should test it out at home in advance to be sure you can make it work properly.

However, if you were trying to transfer files from someone else's computer to your iPad, it gets a little more complicated. Probably the easiest method is to have them email them to you as attachments. If you have a Wi-Fi-only iPad, then you would need access to Wi-Fi to get the email, so you would probably have to plan ahead.

Current models of iPads are available with between 16-128 GB of internal memory. I have over a thousand B&W (mostly-text-only) PDF files on my iPad, they only take up around 200 MB (roughly 1/5 Gigabyte) As long as the files are created properly and not loaded with large graphics or something, you should be able to store plenty of songs/tabs/charts directly on your iPad. (But make sure you have backups somewhere else, of course!)

BTW: Don't tell your 4 year old you were you were running around outside trying to get Wi-Fi! If you are very careful, they may reach 7 or 8 before they decide that they are smarter than you! From that point on… good luck!

 


-standing-

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muzza
Posted 2014-06-07 2:53 AM (#487555 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: RE: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Chordpro SongBook, by LinkeSoft GmbH, is similar to OnSong - but with excellent proven Dropbox sync support for keeping multiple devices up to date If you make any edits.  This is something that OnSong has struggled to make work and user frustration is well documented in the 'Get Satsfaction' OnSong forum. When they sort it out l'll probably give OnSong another go, but for now SongBook gets the nod.  

There are some pretty cool features promised for OnSong 2.0, but it's been 'coming' for well over a year now.

SongBook has always been better for in-app editing, but it seems like OnSong has improved this aspect and now follows a very similar workflow.

I don't need a page flipper because I set it to scroll at the right speed. Takes a few goes to get it right, but once you've set it up, it's bulletproof. OnSong also has the scrolling option.  

The one thing I ALWAYS mess up though, whether using SongBook OR OnSong, is forgetting to press 'play' to start the lyrics scrolling and not realising until I'm well into the song.

BTW, ChordPro SongBook already has an Android version out, but OnSong is working on it - like they are with OnSong 2.0.



Edited by muzzlitebeer 2014-06-07 2:55 AM
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Waskel
Posted 2014-06-07 6:41 PM (#487569 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Muzz, the scrolling option is nice. I never use it because I rarely do a song the same way twice...

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Slipkid
Posted 2014-06-09 7:13 AM (#487596 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: south east Michigan		"I rarely do a song the same way twice"
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on purpose

Edited by Slipkid 2014-06-09 7:18 AM
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nerdydave
Posted 2014-06-09 8:36 AM (#487597 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?


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Location: Always beautiful canyon country of Utah		I always do every song exactly the same. That's why I'm such a boring nerd!
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Waskel
Posted 2014-06-09 1:12 PM (#487598 - in reply to #487596)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Brad Durasa - 2014-06-09 5:13 AM

"I rarely do a song the same way twice"
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on purpose


Well... yeah. Is there another reason?
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Slipkid
Posted 2014-06-09 1:38 PM (#487602 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: south east Michigan		I recant.
I tried to cross swords with the king of ironic sarcasm and failed miserably.
Much study and practice will take place before I make another attempt.
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Waskel
Posted 2014-06-09 4:56 PM (#487611 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Ah, Mitten Boy make funny.

Sometimes I may do a song differently NOT on purpose, but I'll never admit it and you can't prove it.

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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2014-06-23 11:25 AM (#487970 - in reply to #487390)
Subject: Re: OT: ANYBODY USE iPAD MINI FOR TABS AT LIVE GIGS?



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Location: Munich, Germany		Have to say THANK YOU for the heads up for "Onsong".

That's what I always wanted! Great app!

Best regards,
Kurt
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