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Location: Paris/France | Congratulations Dan,
It's a so nice guitar !
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Location: When?? | Nice one, Dan. Congratulations. Yours is exactly what I would want for an anniversary model... and I also like the way you so confidently jump right in and shape it into your own specs and setup right out of the gate. No big surprise there. It wouldn't be you not to! |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | Haha! Yeah, I'm not afraid to make changes. The first thing I did when I got my Book Elite was to move the upper-bout strap button from the bass bout to the cutaway on the upper treble bout. That meant drilling a hole and installing another molly.
I was going to do the same to this one, but the contour bowl doesn't want to roll out from under my arm like the deep bowls do. So, I decided to leave the strap button where it is. For now... |
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Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | Congrats, Dan. I do the same with mine. Cleaning and changing the strings.
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | So, I changed the strings on my 2077 from PB Lights to 80/20 extra lights and I like how it sounds a lot better. But, the top still sounded a little tight compared to my 1617. So, I decided to 'break in' the top. Here's a pic of me breaking in the top using my PrimeVibe. This device turns the guitar into a speaker. (Actually, it turns anything into a speaker, including the unattached tops I've taken off Jay's #485, the top I took off my 1617 and the bowl for the 1717 I recently bought) I've used this before to break in my 2078-TX5, so I know it works. 
You can 'play' whatever music you want through the guitar using an iPod as an input device. I've got a playlist of about 40 songs of pure acoustic guitar songs from George Sebolick. The idea is to let the guitar play music continuously for 40-100 hours and at the end, the top is completely 'seasoned' in the same way as if you played it without stopping for the same amount of time. The PrimeVibe is similar in concept to the ToneRite except tha the ToneRite is simply a buzzer that plays a continuous 60Hz 'tone' whereas the PrimeVibe plays music so it varies the tone depending on what music you play through it. |
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Location: moline,illinois | Hey dan that's a very cool device,where did you get it.I have a couple guitars that could use some seasoning do you think it matters what kind of music you play through it as to how it opens up? |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | It's available directly from the manufacturer.
See: http://prime-vibe.com/ They're on sale right now for $69.99. In theory you could play any type of music through it, such as rock, blues, jazz, punk, etc. I chose to play acoustic guitar music through mine so it would more closely duplicate the frequencies generated by the gutiar itself.
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Location: When?? | <p>What does it sound like when the music is playing during the seasoning process? Is it like setting headphone mods on your guitar? Or does it even sound like music? Remember those things they sold back in the 80's that would turn any wall into speakers? I think Bose made them. You just clipped them onto the wall of a room and the wall turned into a speaker.. with fairly decent quality, too. But if you just plugged them into your stereo they didn't exactly make speaker sounds. Is this the same principle as that?? (If so, then my old apartment has some really well seasoned walls.) Oh, and if you run your guitar through an amp while it is seasoning, do the guitar's bridge pickups translate the same music/tones to the amp as if the guitar was being played?? Sorry so many questions!</p>
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | Al,
Yes. Same principle. Whatever you set the exciters on will turn that item into a speaker. Desk, wall, chunk of styrofoam, etc. It will cause that item to play whatever music you run through the system. Since I have no intention of using my guitar as a drum, cymbal or horn, I have a suite of solo acoustic steel string guitar music that I use.
So, in my case, the seasoning process sounds like someone is playing my guitar. And, for 72-hours straight, he's a guitar-playing fool who just can't get enough of it. The louder you play the music, the faster the guitar will season. From what the manufacturer and others have said, a brand-new guitar will show results after even 10-15 hours and will reach their maximum seasoning after about 70-100 hours. After that you're just wasting electricity. Along those lines, a new guitar will show more results than an old guitar. By that logic, this would be pretty useless on a torrefied guitar, whose wood is already seasoned by the torrefaction process.
Good question. I've never plugged my guitar into an amp while seasoning, so I couldn't say. I follow the manufacturer's recommended practice of slackening the strings while seasoning. Since the strings aren't under tension during this process, I'd say that the sound coming out of the amp would be weak, to non-existent. I'll try it today and let you know. |
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | DanSavage - 2016-09-11 11:20 PM
It's available directly from the manufacturer.
See: http://prime-vibe.com/ They're on sale right now for $69.99. In theory you could play any type of music through it, such as rock, blues, jazz, punk, etc. I chose to play acoustic guitar music through mine so it would more closely duplicate the frequencies generated by the gutiar itself.
I have never heard of those, but what a Wonderful idea!!
Always learning new and wonderful things from you Dan!!
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Location: Texas | I wouldn't recommend playing banjo music through that device for 100 hours.
(It won't hurt the guitar, but your family might hurt you.) |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | BCam - 2016-09-12 12:00 PM
I assume the Prime-Vibe only works on solid wood, not laminated. Correct?
That I couldn't say. A quick email to the primeVibe folks might be in order on this one.
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I wouldn't recommend playing banjo music through that device for 100 hours.
(It won't hurt the guitar, but your family might hurt you.)
I do play the banjo and I haven't heard any complaints as of yet. Of course, I haven't tried playing for 100 hours straight, either.
I might add that my use of this device on a guitar is barely tolerable to the household. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | By "barely tolerable", what do you mean? SWMBO's hearing is very poor, but I wake up when the guy 2 blocks away starts his Harley in the morning. I have a few guitars that could use seasoning, but I don't want to hear a loud hum for 100 hours straight. I could probably leave it on when I'm gone if it doesn't make too much noise to annoy my wife and turn it off when I get home. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Mark, I thought that Music was played through this thing.
So you would be playing Andre Sergovia or Jeff Beck through you guitar top. 
I was thinking of getting one for my 1537...
but I just played it and I think that it is as "open" as it is gonna get.
It is about 32 years old.
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | Mark,
LOL! Imagine living next a club that plays late into the night. Now, imagine a club with a guitarist that plays the same 41 songs in order, 24 hours a day for 3 or 4 days straight. I do the seasoning out in the garage, but the volume is loud enough that we can here it inside the house. |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | So, the first question was, if I plugged in the guitar while on the primeVibe, would the music play through the amp. The answer, is yes. It does play. Volume isn't that great because the strings are slackened, so the top is vibrating the pickup through the bridge, but you can here the music coming from the amp. The next quesion was, 'what does it sound like?' Here's a clip of a solo acoustic steel string guitar piece being played through the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KlePN-w6xM To answer the question of what would it sound like with just any old music being played, here's America's 'A Horse With No Name.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboDcy_AO0g
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Location: Katmandu | DanSavage - 2016-09-11 9:19 PM
So, I changed the strings on my 2077 from PB Lights to 80/20 extra lights and I like how it sounds a lot better.
By any chance does your decision to switch to very bright strings have anything to do with the cedar top of the guitar? My guess would be that cedar, elsewhere primarily used on classical guitars (?), gives the 50th-anniversary Ovation an overall dark voice, and in extreme circumstances can even tend to muffle string separation, though I doubt that being the case here with the clear projection the roundback provides.
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Location: Frozen Tundra of Minnesota | DanSavage - 2016-09-12 8:03 PM
So, the first question was, if I plugged in the guitar while on the primeVibe, would the music play through the amp. The answer, is yes. It does play. Volume isn't that great because the strings are slackened, so the top is vibrating the pickup through the bridge, but you can here the music coming from the amp. The next quesion was, 'what does it sound like?' Here's a clip of a solo acoustic steel string guitar piece being played through the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KlePN-w6xM To answer the question of what would it sound like with just any old music being played, here's America's 'A Horse With No Name.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboDcy_AO0g
VERY Cool!!! Thank You for letting us see how they work!
Do you move the speakers around the face of the guitar, or pretty much leave them in one place?
It reminded me of a Player Piano - the guitar just sits there, and makes music, without you touching it! LOL!! It was neat to see when you lifted the little speaker, it really *was* the guitar being the big speaker!!
Thank You Dan!!! Very Interesting!! |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | leonardmccoy - 2016-09-13 4:48 AM
By any chance does your decision to switch to very bright strings have anything to do with the cedar top of the guitar? My guess would be that cedar, elsewhere primarily used on classical guitars (?), gives the 50th-anniversary Ovation an overall dark voice, and in extreme circumstances can even tend to muffle string separation, though I doubt that being the case here with the clear projection the roundback provides.
Not really. I just like the sound of 80/20s better on guitars that have larger-volume bodies, such as the deep and contour bowl Ovations. For medium bowls I like PBs. |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | Nancy - 2016-09-13 7:32 AM
Do you move the speakers around the face of the guitar, or pretty much leave them in one place?
The location of the transducers is where the manufacturer recommends for flat top guitars. |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | So, after 70-some-odd hours of seasoning I pulled the 2077AV50 off the primeVibe, tuned it up and played it today.
In a word, Wow! The sustain is markedly better as is the overall tone.
The LX X-brace and cedar top is an interesting combination. It's really easy to overdrive the cedar top with an aggressive attack. It's real strength is in fingerstyle. But, with a measure of restraint in strumming, it sounds fantastic.
I'm really pleased with this guitar and I'm very happy with how it sounds.
Bravo, Ovation! |
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | DanSavage - 2016-09-14 9:57 AM
So, after 70-some-odd hours of seasoning I pulled the 2077AV50 off the primeVibe, tuned it up and played it today.
In a word, Wow! The sustain is markedly better as is the overall tone.
The LX X-brace and cedar top is an interesting combination. It's really easy to overdrive the cedar top with an aggressive attack. It's real strength is in fingerstyle. But, with a measure of restraint in strumming, it sounds fantastic.
I'm really pleased with this guitar and I'm very happy with how it sounds.
Bravo, Ovation!
Thanks for the cool and informative update Dan! It is really interesting and educational to hear how each OFC member responds to the arrival of their new 50th Os and 40th As. Never quite seen anyone take a new O through her paces like you do! Amazing! |
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