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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-09 6:34 AM (#531809)
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So, to measure a guitar's scale length, the measurement is taken from where the edge of the nut meets the fingerboard on down to the crown of the 12th fret wire.. then double that number for the ultimate scale length statistic on any given guitar. Okay, fine. But, I ask, what is the purpose of doubling it instead of just calling it by its plain measurement?

I’m sure there’s a very viable answer, but I’m in the dark. Anyone got a light?
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dvd
Posted 2017-01-09 7:23 AM (#531810 - in reply to #531809)
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I think the idea is that scale length is actually from nut to bridge, but due to compensated and/or adjustable bridges you can't get a consistent measurement at that end of the string. From string to string, and from guitar to guitar. But doubling the measurement from nut to 12th fret gives you a process that should work repeatably across the board.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-09 8:03 AM (#531811 - in reply to #531809)
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DVD.. I assume you meant "saddle" instead of "bridge".. or essentially, the point on the bridge where the strings make contact. But by that, yep, I understand what you are saying. The 12th fret is basically the "half" way mark.. and.. is a fixed point perpendicular to all strings. As I wave the dummy flag I admit that I was not even taking into consideration the compensation angle of the saddle. Duh! Makes sense now... thank you!
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dvd
Posted 2017-01-09 10:16 AM (#531813 - in reply to #531811)
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Yep, sorry, :s/bridge/saddle/g
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Waskel
Posted 2017-01-10 5:01 PM (#531878 - in reply to #531809)
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vi doesn't work on posts. Believe me, I've tried.


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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-10 10:23 PM (#531890 - in reply to #531809)
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What is "vi"?
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nerdydave
Posted 2017-01-10 11:59 PM (#531894 - in reply to #531809)
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Great question!!
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2017-01-11 2:05 AM (#531895 - in reply to #531890)
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Love O Fair - 2017-01-10 8:23 PM

What is "vi"?

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DetlefMichel
Posted 2017-01-11 8:58 AM (#531898 - in reply to #531809)
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In Germany the scale length is the whole lenght of the string from nut to bridge, (for instance Ovation 64,5cm. 0,5cm less than usual steelstrings, that´s why they are that little bit better to play).
I think that´s what the guitar player wants to know, short scale, normal or long scale. I have guitars with 63, 64, 65 and 66cm scale. By the way, when will you finally get reasonable and change to the metric system? I´ll get mad with all these 1/16 and 1/32....;-)
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-11 9:42 AM (#531900 - in reply to #531895)
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Arthur, ya crack me up. Happy new year.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-11 9:47 AM (#531901 - in reply to #531898)
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@DetleMichel - "By the way, when will you finally get reasonable and change to the metric system?"

Good question. Maybe Arthur knows.
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dvd
Posted 2017-01-11 12:56 PM (#531907 - in reply to #531895)
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I was wondering if anybody would get my little joke. Waskel, I should have known you would. UNIX/tech geeks will get it. Otherwise, Arthur has the best answer.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2017-01-11 1:40 PM (#531913 - in reply to #531809)
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I figured it was computer geek-speak. I don't speak it, but I know Waskel and dvd are fluent. Speaking of speaking, is it a coincidence that fluent is the root of effluent?
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2017-01-11 3:37 PM (#531920 - in reply to #531901)
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Love O Fair - 2017-01-11 7:47 AM

@DetleMichel - "By the way, when will you finally get reasonable and change to the metric system?"

Good question. Maybe Arthur knows.

Never!
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2017-01-12 6:04 AM (#531946 - in reply to #531920)
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Never!
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I mean, the mix of different measure systems is sometimes confusing. I remember when I once
picked up an american friend if mine at Frankfurt airport and we drove home on the Autobahn with about 170 km/h (which is not very fast in Germany), and he later told me that he was scared to death because he thought it would be miles on the speedometer....and another example is a church built of wood in the north of Sweden which was planned in foot and after the architect´s sudden death was built in meters and they realized the mistake too late it when they started to build the pews...now it´s the biggest wooden church in the world.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-12 11:57 AM (#531954 - in reply to #531809)
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As for the metric system, the USA switched over to that way back in the 1970s. Most everything in mass usage has been required to be labeled in both inch/millimeter, gallon/liter, mile/kilometer, etc. ever since for the convenience of those who may need to rely on it. Your American friend has probably never bothered to look at the metric numbers on his American-auto speedometer, but trust me, they're on there right next to the MPH (or easily switched to on the digital-read ones). Do they require those dual measurement methods on European products? Nope. So you see, we actually have the best scenario of free choice (but still, no one around here much pays attention to the metric stuff).

Edited by Love O Fair 2017-01-12 12:07 PM
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nerdydave
Posted 2017-01-12 10:40 PM (#531967 - in reply to #531809)
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Fluent also being the root of affluent so one could possibly be affluent and still have effluent??
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-13 5:06 AM (#531971 - in reply to #531809)
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Dave, yes. One would have to be affluently effluent to realize this, otherwise it's just watered down information. I hope that isn't too murky.
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d'ovation
Posted 2017-01-13 8:51 AM (#531974 - in reply to #531946)
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DetlefMichel - 2017-01-12 6:04 AM ....and another example is a church built of wood in the north of Sweden which was planned in foot ...

It probably went wrong because they used the wrong shoe size ...

 

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DetlefMichel
Posted 2017-01-13 11:36 AM (#531975 - in reply to #531954)
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Love O Fair - 2017-01-12 6:57 PM

As for the metric system, the USA switched over to that way back in the 1970s. Most everything in mass usage has been required to be labeled in both inch/millimeter, gallon/liter, mile/kilometer, etc. ever since for the convenience of those who may need to rely on it. Your American friend has probably never bothered to look at the metric numbers on his American-auto speedometer, but trust me, they're on there right next to the MPH (or easily switched to on the digital-read ones). Do they require those dual measurement methods on European products? Nope. So you see, we actually have the best scenario of free choice (but still, no one around here much pays attention to the metric stuff).


That´s very interesting, didn´t know that you live sort of sychronous with both measurement systems. Maybe wiser than with one...but still I srew up my minimal-mathematical-gifted brain if a friend from the USA tells me about the gas-mileage of his new car with "miles per gallon" if I have to transform it with mental arithmetic into "liters per 100 km".....;-)
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-01-13 12:17 PM (#531978 - in reply to #531809)
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@DetlefMichel - " if I have to transform it with mental arithmetic...."

What gets really tricky is when you ask your friend where he parked his car, and he says "over yonder", and you actually understand where it is.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2017-01-13 12:34 PM (#531979 - in reply to #531809)
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A Californian shouldn't poke fun at anyone about distance or direction. They express distance in reference to time and most, but not all, of the highways start with "The".
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d'ovation
Posted 2017-01-13 12:36 PM (#531980 - in reply to #531975)
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DetlefMichel - 2017-01-13 11:36 AM ... a friend from the USA tells me about the gas-mileage of his new car with "miles per gallon" if I have to transform it with mental arithmetic into "liters per 100 km".....;-)

And it's even more complicated because there's more than one gallon. A friend from the US probably refers to a US gallon which is  3.785411784 liters. But a friend from the UK would refer to an imperial gallon which is 4.54609 liters. In Canada it's really confusing because although the SI system is officially used many people especially elderly ones with low literacy like to use terms like inch, foot, gallon, mile; but some of them are associated with the US and others are from the UK so you can never really be sure how much anything is until you clarify if they refer to the US or the imperial system.

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DetlefMichel
Posted 2017-01-13 12:39 PM (#531981 - in reply to #531809)
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I learn many new thingsabout the USA-you have parking space? We don´t, 1/2 of our cars have to keep moving.
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2017-01-13 12:45 PM (#531982 - in reply to #531980)
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d'ovation - 2017-01-13 7:36 PM

And it's even more complicated



Ok I´ll get me a pocket calculator. And at the gas station I´ll handle it like always: make full. No complications.
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