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What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?

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Juiced
Posted 2021-01-13 11:55 AM (#554738)
Subject: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Greeting all.

I am not new to Ovations, I have had many for many years, (check my list please), but for the life of me cannot get decent sound repreduction from the onboard electronics. I always seem to have to add a sound hole pickup or mic them. 

What is the secret?

 I have acoutic amps, PA systems and some quality Electric amps that I have seen others ( Fender Twin comes to mind) use with some success.  

Thanks!

Ed

 



Edited by Juiced 2021-01-13 11:57 AM
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2021-01-13 12:22 PM (#554739 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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Maybe you need a 1995 Ovation collector´s, sometimes they uccur. These have the Oavtion pickup and a micro. Besides that these are within the most beautiful Ovations ever made.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2021-01-13 2:27 PM (#554741 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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"cannot get decent sound reproduction from the onboard electronics" Is not something one hears often. I would be curious what specifically you have tried, with some thoughts.. I generally start with flat eq on the board, a nice signal appropriate for analog or digital and go from there. Your best bet is going to be something that is full-range. Something designed for acoustic guitar (depending on what it is) or PA is the best. Amps popular for keyboard and sometimes bass work well too, just depends. Maybe others have some input on this, but my experience when running a PA has been how to make all the other guitars sound as good as the one guy with an Ovation.
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cholloway
Posted 2021-01-14 9:41 AM (#554746 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Here's one suggestion...
https://www.miracle-ear.com/online-hearing-test
I'm just sayin'.
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Juiced
Posted 2021-01-14 12:59 PM (#554747 - in reply to #554746)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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cholloway - 2021-01-14 10:41 AM Here's one suggestion...

 

Please keep your useless childish suggestions to yourself......

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moody, p.i.
Posted 2021-01-14 1:20 PM (#554748 - in reply to #554747)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Juiced - 2021-01-14 10:59 AM

cholloway - 2021-01-14 10:41 AM Here's one suggestion...

 

Please keep your useless childish suggestions to yourself......


They are what made this board great!

Go back to Mr. Ovation's post and answer it so we'll know what you've tried......
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Waskel
Posted 2021-01-14 2:41 PM (#554750 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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I vote for more useless childish suggestions.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2021-01-14 2:47 PM (#554751 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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I use a Roland MobileAC lately... And it works.
I also use a Roland CubeStreet and it works as well.
Just sayin'...
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2021-01-14 6:15 PM (#554752 - in reply to #554750)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Waskel - 2021-01-14 12:41 PM

I vote for more useless childish suggestions.

You would.....
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FlySig
Posted 2021-01-14 6:30 PM (#554753 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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I've never heard an Ovation sound bad unless the sound man screwed up or it was played through an electric guitar amp. A good sound man can make an Ovation sound amazing.

I've played various Ovations through a variety of acoustic amps, and they all sound good if they are of decent wattage and speaker quality. Small, cheap amps tend to have crappy speakers and bad cabinet design, so any guitar will sound crappy through them. 30W and larger amps generally have higher quality sound, not due to wattage per se, and that is a good point in the price vs performance curve to start.

If you can, get the amp off the floor so you are hearing the amp not the building. A kitchen chair works fine for that, or a dedicated amp stand. I think all the acoustic amps I've owned or played with have a little metal gizmo on the bottom to lift the front off the floor, and they work quite well.

Start with all the eq flat and all effects off. You can pull the mids down a bit but not too much, and that usually helps it sound more alive. That is the classic "bathtub curve".

I like a little bit of acoustic emulator added in. Through digital magic, the tone is changed to sound more like a live acoustic guitar rather than plugged in. But these kinds of effects are not needed, they just add a bit of icing onto the cake.
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Weaser P
Posted 2021-01-14 6:45 PM (#554754 - in reply to #554750)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Waskel - 2021-01-14 2:41 PM

I vote for more useless childish suggestions.


Give us a topic...ANY topic...
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nerdydave
Posted 2021-01-14 9:26 PM (#554755 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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I thought his suggestion was kinda funny!!
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tpa
Posted 2021-01-15 1:33 AM (#554756 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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On the topic of perceived sound a hearing test may reveal a hearing loss of 30 to 60dB so if an old guy or gal find that other people mumble there may be a good reason. For comparison tone controls can be +/-15dB. Many people also have to overpower the everpresence of a tinnitus, so a sound engineer with good hearing is a good start. Most people get by because perception, hearing and listening are not the same. No reason to dis the proposal by cholloway.

Just sayin'

Besides that, liking or not liking the amplified sound of acoustic guitars with piezoelectric transducers has been a topic of intense discussions since the appearance of the first Ovations. Some people think that the newer onboard amplifiers are better than the older. I am one of them. Not for the sound though, but because of the onboard tuner and notch filter. But then, I very rarely play amplified so You cant use that to anything :-)

The secret is to do what you do if that gives you the sound you like.

Edited by tpa 2021-01-15 1:48 AM
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cholloway
Posted 2021-01-15 10:33 AM (#554757 - in reply to #554747)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Juiced - 2021-01-14 12:59 PM

cholloway - 2021-01-14 10:41 AM Here's one suggestion...

 

Please keep your useless childish suggestions to yourself......



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tpa
Posted 2021-01-15 1:22 PM (#554759 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: RE: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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johngar
Posted 2021-01-15 6:38 PM (#554762 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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I’m not an expert on sound but my 2 ovations have the op40 and the op pro and I run them both straight into a fishman. Both sound great to me.
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Juiced
Posted 2021-01-16 6:00 AM (#554764 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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To all of the people that I have helped and that have helped me on this site, Good Luck, Stay safe and keep playing.

To the others that waste time "trying to be funny" ...grow up.

Later.
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seesquare
Posted 2021-01-16 6:08 AM (#554765 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Most unfortunate. Probably holding your instrument too tightly.
Now, that was funny.
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Waskel
Posted 2021-01-16 9:37 AM (#554766 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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Too thin skinned. Wouldn't have lasted 33 posts back in the day.
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Waskel
Posted 2021-01-16 9:41 AM (#554767 - in reply to #554754)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?



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Weaser P - 2021-01-14 4:45 PM

Waskel - 2021-01-14 2:41 PM

I vote for more useless childish suggestions.


Give us a topic...ANY topic...


String tubes.
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Weaser P
Posted 2021-01-16 9:47 AM (#554768 - in reply to #554767)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Waskel - 2021-01-16 9:41 AM

Weaser P - 2021-01-14 4:45 PM

Waskel - 2021-01-14 2:41 PM

I vote for more useless childish suggestions.


Give us a topic...ANY topic...


String tubes.


Was lucky enough to get two pair of the red ones but missed out on the blue. Increased my abilities to a solid 2 of 10 almost overnight.

Useless / Childish Suggestion? When you come to the Y in the road, take it.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2021-01-16 10:52 AM (#554769 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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If given the choice between growing up and trying to be funny, I'll choose the latter. Having grown up, I took the suggestions concerning hearing loss and tinnitus quite seriously. Seems like everyone my age has a hearing problem. I have ringing in my ears after spending too much time using a chain saw without hearing protection. Dumb move.
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cholloway
Posted 2021-01-16 10:57 AM (#554770 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: RE: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Account deleted, I do not have time to deal with Children. Time to go talk to professional people so I can become a better guitar player.


Aw jeez...
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
I was serious!
If you can't make ANY of your O's sound good,
you are the common denominator.
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seesquare
Posted 2021-01-16 11:05 AM (#554771 - in reply to #554738)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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Logic. Oh no, not that!
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seesquare
Posted 2021-01-16 11:08 AM (#554772 - in reply to #554771)
Subject: Re: What am I missing.... Ovations sound ...not that good?


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We need more milk-out-your-nose moments. Bring it!
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