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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-06-03 6:53 AM (#97110)
Subject: What is a Troll?


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Over the past few months that I have been active in posting on this forum, I have seen many referenced to Trolls (such as don't feed the troll, etc,) and I had absolutely no idea what exactly was meant by that reference...OK so I am sheltered somewhat in that I hae not done a lot of participating in "chat" as I actually thought it was somewhat boring...or whatever.. BUT, then I found this group and "let the games begin" so to speak...and with that revelation came the occasional references to "trolls". I had no idea what that was (other than the fairytale images from childhood). I did a massive search of the Vault....hundreds of hits on the word....so with not a lot of time to spend searching and reading everything,,,(fun but not practical) I decided to turn to my old/new friend Wikipedia for an explanation: and here is what I found:

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing (usually indirectly relating to the individual in person) in order to cause confrontation. While not necessarily related to hacking, such a practice is against the Computer Misuse Act 1990 in the United Kingdom, where mischief is caused in order to ensure chaos is spread. One early reference to troll found in the Google Usenet archive was by user "John Miller," directed toward the user "Tad," on February 8, 1990.[2] However, it is unclear if this instance represents a usage of "troll" as it is known today, or if it was simply a chance choice of epithet:

“You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources — kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain. Just go die in your sleep you mindless flatulent troll.”

The more likely derivation can be found in the phrase "trolling for newbies," popularized in the early 1990s in the Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban. Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone that only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time. Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that the topic had been done to death already, but new subscribers to the group would not "get it" and respond. These types of trolls served as a Shibboleth to identify group insiders. By the late 1990s, alt.folklore.urban had such heavy traffic and participation that trolling of this sort was frowned upon. Others expanded the term to include the practice of playing a seriously misinformed or deluded user, even in newsgroups where one was not a regular; these were often attempts at humor rather than provocation. In such contexts, the noun troll usually referred to an act of trolling, rather than to the author.
Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. The key element under attack by a troll is known only to the troll. A person who retaliates (using whatever means) as a result of a misunderstanding (or as a way of rebelling against the overzealous application of rules) is not a troll.[4] A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board. For example, a neo-Nazi approaching a Jewish forum with the intention of attacking the members, purely because the neo-Nazi knows the forum to contain Jewish members, will be considered a troll.
The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a troll or not, is the level of indignant emotions present in the person, coupled with the person's history with the forum or group. An indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that are characteristic of a troll attack.
Well sorry for the long post here but I thought it might be helpful to those of us who are still new to these terms and references...I supposed I could have just asked but I have always liked to get to the heart of a problem...and also I did not want to appear like I was "trolling" for answers (lol). There may be other connotations to this word or its usage here in this forum but this is what i have found so far. Just trying to help...Have a good day...and Blessings...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-06-03 7:03 AM (#97111 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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Miles wrote:
For those that don't get it... It's called marketing. You're an artist, you either hire professionals or you get your friends to log onto every board remotely relating to your art to post a link to your website. Doesn't matter what is said, doesn't matter how it's said, as long as it's spelled correctly.
sorry Miles, I missed this one...I was so fed up with that last deal that I skipped any reference I suppose...but I was really just wondering and am not up on internet language or dialect...so, therefore I sought some clarification...Blessings...
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Lightfoot
Posted 2007-06-03 9:12 AM (#97112 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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I thought that trolls hid under bridges and popped out when the light was red and tried to clean your windscreen with old newsprint and then disappeared when the light changed.
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-06-03 9:16 AM (#97113 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?
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Well, definitely not me then! :D
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Steve
Posted 2007-06-04 8:43 AM (#97114 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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(late post)
I grew up in South Florida, with salt-water fishing, etc. We would ride out about 20 miles or so off the coast, trolling the weed lines for Mahi-mahi (dolphin). So, I learned the word to be used in reference to 'baiting' for a desired response.
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Beal
Posted 2007-06-04 10:23 AM (#97115 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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I think these trolls are more like gremlins, not the ugly American Moters kind either.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-06-04 10:40 AM (#97116 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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Hey.... I don't go makin' fun of guitars with chrome hub caps glued to the top, do I?? :D
$2,295.00 out the door baby!
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-06-04 3:00 PM (#97117 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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Nice jacket.

You just know, somewhere, there's a dead Nauga.
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cliff
Posted 2007-06-04 3:41 PM (#97118 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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btw;

WHERE were you pushing the car to?? . . .
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2007-06-04 4:00 PM (#97119 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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You can *almost* hear the corduroy rubbing together as he walked around the back of the car for the pic....
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-06-04 4:02 PM (#97120 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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If it's the early 80's...a gas lineup.
If the 70's...there's probably a 'boot' on the front passenger wheel, just out of the shot.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-06-04 4:41 PM (#97121 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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The jacket was neither naugha-hyde or leather. It was nylon. It gave me the.. "yeah.. you may look like a bad-ass but you can still date my daughter." type of image.
Wide ribbed corduroys?? Well yeah... ya got me on that one.

That little car had a 21 gallon gas tank.
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-06-04 5:05 PM (#97122 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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"That little car had a 21 gallon gas tank."

The better to get blowed up in.
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cruster
Posted 2007-06-04 5:56 PM (#97123 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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Originally posted by Weaser P:
"That little car had a 21 gallon gas tank."

The better to get blowed up in.
I thought the Pinto was the explosive automobile.
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-06-04 6:09 PM (#97124 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?
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I thought it was Trabant! :confused:
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-06-04 8:16 PM (#97125 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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slipkid wrote
It gave me the.. "yeah.. you may look like a bad-ass but you can still date my daughter." type of image.
TEN SIMPLE RULES FOR DATING MY DAUGHTER

Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:
You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them.

Rule Three:
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose his compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:
It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early."

Rule Six:
I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:
Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding, middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:
Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.

:D :D
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-06-04 9:09 PM (#97126 - in reply to #97110)
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"I can get you in this lil' Beauty fer $99 down"
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-06-04 9:43 PM (#97127 - in reply to #97110)
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"I can get you in this lil' Beauty fer $99 down"

...and the car we'll throw in for FREE!!
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fugot
Posted 2007-06-05 12:11 AM (#97128 - in reply to #97110)
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I go away for a few 'moments' and what the heck happens??? trolls, gremlins and Hal Jordan is marrying someone named heather.

What else did I miss??
I would kill for a new AMC gremlin-what a babe machine, plus I could race Mark (elginacres)for pink slips....
carry on. peace mike
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muzza
Posted 2007-06-05 8:34 AM (#97129 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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The scary thing is... that photo was only taken last week. :eek:


Guy goes into a auto spare parts store (or whatever you Yanks call it) and asks the salesman, "Can I have a pair of windscreen wipers for a Pinto?"

The salesman scratches his chin and ponders a while before saying "Yup, you gotta deal!"
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Steve
Posted 2007-06-05 10:03 AM (#97130 - in reply to #97110)
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MusicMishka,
I like your sense of humor...I'm sure your daughter is alive and well..but, I wonder who might be buried in the five acres behind your house.. :)
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-06-05 10:33 AM (#97131 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?


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Fortunatly for all...she is only 4 and a half :eek: :D

Its one of my favorites that someone sent me while we were expecting out girl. Just thought it would bring some smiles to a few folks.
Blessings...
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MWoody
Posted 2007-06-05 11:40 AM (#97132 - in reply to #97110)
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" wonder who might be buried in the five acres behind your house..."

It is a good practice to plant a tree with deep running roots over the, uh... memorial spot of the former menace-to-society.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-06-05 12:18 PM (#97133 - in reply to #97110)
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I wish I had seen those before my 2 daughters were dating. I especially like the nail gun idea.
My oldest went to a prom with a guy who wore the pants of his rented tux below his boxers. I thought they forgot to hem them, because they were bunched up around his ankles. The jacket covered most of his boxers. He couldn't figure out why the suspenders were so short.
I just like to make them run. Then when their pants fall around their ankles and they fall down, I run them over. The Porsche doesn't have enough clearance though, so I had to use the minivan. Took some of the fun out of it.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-06-05 1:33 PM (#97134 - in reply to #97110)
Subject: Re: What is a Troll?



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You realize, of course, that if all fathers were successful in ther desires and intents.....humans would be extinct in one generation?


Still. I find I just can't enjoy the stripper bars anymore.

I can't stop wondering how much her parents spent on dance lessons...........
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