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Location: Phoenix AZ | My 2080 didn't come with the info card for the VIP images. Does anyone know what the 5 settings are on the 2080 ???
This is all I could find in the SEARCH.
Image list for the 2007 Bearclaw Collector:
1. Large diaphram condenser Contour Multi soundhole Spruce
2. Dynamic Contour Multi soundhole Spruce
3. Large diaphram condenser Deep Cutaway Multi soundhole Graphite
4. Large diaphram condenser Deep Non-Cutaway Center soundhole Spruce
5. Dynamic Deep Non-Cutaway Center soundhole Spruce
Image list for 2006 Koa Collector:
1. Large diaphram condensor Contour cutaway Figured Koa
2. Dynamic Contour cutaway Figured Koa
3. Large diaphram condensor Deep Cutaway Uni-directional composite graphite
4. Large diaphram condensor Deep Non-cutaway AAA Spruce
5. Dynamic Deep Non-cutaway AAA Spruce
Thanks for the help.
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Location: Germany | Dave,
there is a German VIP-5 manual on the site of the German Ovation Distributor (www.ovation.de). It says (I tried to translate):
1. Large diaphram condenser, Contour Bowl Cutaway, multi soundhole, Collector's 2006
2. Dynamic, Contour Bowl Cutaway, multi soundhole, Collector's 2006
3. Large diaphram condenser, Deep bowl, Adamas I multi soundhole, Adamas reissue 1581
4. Large diaphram condenser, Deep bowl, center soundhole, Custom Legend 1719
5. Dynamic, Deep bowl, center soundhole, Custom Legend 1719
Seems that the guitars imaged by the VIP are stated more precisely in this manual. Hope this helps.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Excellent Karl. THANK YOU.
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Location: nyc area | Karl has it exactly! |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Matt, is this really true? Do they want the 2080 and the 1680 sound like a Koa Top guitar? I thought the VIPs all have their own images? As it is on the 06 and the 07 Colletor's? That was what I was told, when there was a long time no manual for the VIPs - because of the different sound patterns.
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Location: SoCal | Well, the 2006 Collectors does sound "purdy". :D |
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Location: NJ | Image Mic Model
1 Lrg diaph cond 2080
2 Small diaph cond 2080
3 Lrg diaph cond 1680
4 Dynamic 1680
5 Lrg diaph cond 1581 |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It really doesn't sound like those other guitars. Think of it as a camera and you're just putting filters over the lense, some are greenish, some blueish etc. You're just tinting the sound. I've also found that if you use just the image sound it's not that great, but using a blend of the guitar and whatever image you've selected gets interesting. |
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Location: Orange County, California | I've played around with a couple of them. Bill's right. It's not like it's going turn it into something it isn't. IMHO it adds acoustic character to the line out signal. With two different guitar models and 3 different mics, + one bonus map that "works" you should be able to dial in a pretty convincing "live" sound plugged in. The maps in the VIP for each guitar are the "ones that work" with the guitar it came with. I think there are 3 or 4 different ones in production. I've been concerned since day one that someone would swap them at a store, and it wouldn't sound right. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I haven't played with it a lot, but seems like the best way to think of it is like different tone pallets, and mixing with the pu gives a tremendous range of possibilities. I can't imagine you wouldn't be able to find a setting that was ideal for any particular situation.
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Location: NW NJ | Originally posted by cwk2:
It really doesn't sound like those other guitars. Think of it as a camera and you're just putting filters over the lense, some are greenish, some blueish etc. You're just tinting the sound. I've also found that if you use just the image sound it's not that great, but using a blend of the guitar and whatever image you've selected gets interesting. Thank you for saying that Bill. The filter notion is the only way I can make any sense out of the models because I think the pure model sounds suck. Using the models as filters to color the pure pickup sound (not replace it) is where I have landed in using them. In practice, I found one model (#2 on my 2080) at a blend of about 60% pickup and 40% model that I use all the time. I could use an education in why/how to better utilize the variety of models - any input?
It seems that for Tuppy, the VIP stuff would be almost totally worthless whereas for me who plays plugged in 80% of the time, I should be ecstatic over it, and right now, I'm just not feeling the vibe. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by worshipleader:
It seems that for Tuppy, the VIP stuff would be almost totally worthless ... NOT TRUE ROBBIE!
I have to plug in to make the frigging tuner work! |
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I have to plug in to make the frigging tuner work!
I know... that's just not right. I hope they can correct that down the line.
I don't have a guitar with a VIP ....yet.
Having spent some time with a few, I think they are great! A big step up from the OP series. |
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Location: NJ | ". . I have to plug in to make the frigging tuner work! . ."
What the HELL do YOU care??
You'll be selling it in six months, anyway . . . |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Originally posted by cliff:
". . I have to plug in to make the frigging tuner work! . ."
What the HELL do YOU care??
You'll be selling it in six months, anyway . . . :D :D :D
But Dave keeps the market living - always a lot of interesting O's and A's ito buy! I'll buy it - you do not have to post it in the 'For Sale'-Section ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
You'll be selling it in six months, anyway . . . And YOU'LL be kicking yourself for not buying it!
No actually, this one is a keeper. Yeah, I know I've said that before. But seriously, it's a piece of art and I don't plan on letting it go. It's got a matching case on the way.
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Location: Lebanon, TN | The idea of this imaging technology is as Bill has described. To give a more realistic tone pallette to a direct piezo output.
Fishman with their Aura pedals and pre-amps has the widest range of images available. The pre-amps (as used by Martin) tend to have images for the specific guitar. The way I got variety when I was using the Martin OMC-Aura was using different images for different styles. For example if picking gently one image might be better to emphasize bass more. For a strumming thumping song, a different image switching down the bass and mid and adding a bit more presence or compression. Pretty cool one you get going.
The pedal allows you to download any image you want from the library and use it with any guitar. There are some very interesting funky effects you can get. I used a Martin D18-12 string image with the Melissa Etheridge MERB quite effectively. Sounded nice. They keep promising to give custom image creation service but you have to ship your guitar to them to do it. They did at one point say that they would allow you to record your own images and send them to them, but they have gone quiet on that.
My personal preference for the 2006 Fkoa is image 2 at about a 60-40 split. And yes the tuning issue is bugging me too :-) |
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Location: Australia | I have an Aura. Great piece of gear.
Although it works very well, I tend to leave it at home when I'm playing out (just can't be bothered setting it up).
I find the straight O sound still mighty good at a gig. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by richardd:
I have an Aura. Great piece of gear.
Although it works very well, I tend to leave it at home when I'm playing out (just can't be bothered setting it up).
I find the straight O sound still mighty good at a gig. That's the best argument for on board DSP ever. |
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VIP on 2080 - INFO NEEDED (MATT ?)
